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Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
Allen Berger & Thom Rutledge

Bill Wilson, co-founder of Alcoholic's Anonymous, wrote in 1952, "If we examine every disturbance we have, great or small, we will find... more

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Episodes

Flowing with Becoming feat. Joe C.

When we try to wrestle security from life, we often get pinned. Joe Chisholm offers us this:   Dee Hock (1929-2022) wrote:    “Life... more

11 May 2025 · 30 minutes
Inukshuk with Julia Heidmann

Frequent collaborator and fellow recoverer Julia Heidmann stops by to talk about the role emotional sobriety has played in her... more

03 May 2025 · 35 minutes
Proficiency vs. Perfection

Allen, Thom, and Patrick discuss the overwhelm that often occurs as we return to health, and in so doing take... more

24 Apr 2025 · 31 minutes
To Be Human Is to Be Impacted

Roger Andes returns after a period of recovery to talk with Thom and Patrick about forming a new relationship with... more

18 Apr 2025 · 51 minutes
Gratitude, Humility, and Awe

Joe C. brings an existential framework to the discussion, which dredges up Patrick’s recent brushes with mortality and Allen’s titanic... more

11 Apr 2025 · 33 minutes
For the Newcomers

Acceptance of what is sets us on the road to change. While acceptance of powerlessness over alcohol, our dependencies, or... more

05 Apr 2025 · 23 minutes
Uncertainty and Emotional Sobriety

Waiting for the other shoe to drop truly puts our ability to regulate to the test, as it reminds us... more

27 Mar 2025 · 22 minutes
Filing with the Complaint Department

In filing our claims with reality’s “complaint department,” we discover new ways of getting in touch with our disturbances, big... more

21 Mar 2025 · 28 minutes
Newfound Responsibility

Joe C. and the crew discuss their emerging conception of living responsibly with emotional sobriety. Ultimately, this depends greatly on... more

14 Mar 2025 · 22 minutes
Emotions Are (Part Of) the Solution

A quick one this week. Allen, Thom, and Patrick discuss holding onto ourselves when our relationships are in distress, fear... more

06 Mar 2025 · 18 minutes
Guidance vs. Advice

Offering help to those in need without losing ourselves is the order of the day. Before giving advice, “knock on... more

28 Feb 2025 · 28 minutes
Re-Solving

Joe C. returns to kick things off with a reading from Gabor Maté’s “The Myth of Normal.” Allen and Thom... more

21 Feb 2025 · 32 minutes
The Regret Reduction Program

Allen and Thom return to familiar emotional sobriety territory of living in the pauses and managing our reactions to fears... more

13 Feb 2025 · 21 minutes
Emotional Sobriety and Love

Returning to our definition of a more mature love, challenging not the concept of “self” entirely, but an expanding our... more

08 Feb 2025 · 22 minutes
Seeing More, Seeing Further

Picking up the discussion from last week, in crafting our emotionally sober foundation and cultivating our awareness, what do we... more

31 Jan 2025 · 19 minutes
Awareness is the Foundation

Our awareness is what we use to make contact with the world. The quality of that contact will determine how... more

24 Jan 2025 · 11 minutes
Surviving Fire

Patrick and Allen deal with their own fears and resentments surrounding the Los Angeles wildfires. Patrick welcomes to the pod... more

17 Jan 2025 · 47 minutes
Post-Traumatic Gains

Why are some people surpassingly resilient in sobriety, not only restoring to their wellness conditions pre-alcoholism and pre-trauma, but emerging... more

12 Jan 2025 · 33 minutes
2024 in Review

Responsibility creates empowerment. Closing this year of the podcast as we look ahead to 2025, Allen, Thom, and Patrick consider... more

30 Dec 2024 · 37 minutes
Lucky Attachments

A quick one, before Christmas - Thom and Patrick talk about their sideways shuffle towards emotional sobriety, accepting the things... more

24 Dec 2024 · 25 minutes
Any Port in a Storm

Allen, Joe, and Patrick continue their ongoing discussion of the holiday season, encountering new challenges and opportunities to hold onto... more

08 Dec 2024 · 31 minutes
Early Holiday Observations with Joe C.

Thom, Patrick and Joe bring to the conversation their individual anticipations and dreads of the Thanksgiving holiday to come. The... more

25 Nov 2024 · 35 minutes
Acorn to Oak Tree with Herb K.

Four of us take stock of our personal arcs towards greater emotional sobriety. Happiness, as Herb Kaighan frames it, isn’t... more

17 Nov 2024 · 36 minutes
Should Auld Acquaintance Be Forgot

Going into yet another fraught American Presidential election, Allen, Thom, and Patrick discuss their fears and feelings of debt and... more

04 Nov 2024 · 36 minutes
How's Your Practice?

Friend of the pod Howard Malitz of Seasons of Recovery talks about an extreme test of emotional sobriety on a... more

30 Oct 2024 · 47 minutes
Emotional Sobriety as “Democratic Pluralism”

Joe C., Allen, and Thom welcome author William Schaberg (Bill), author of 30 Things: Practical Advice for Living Well to... more

21 Oct 2024 · 48 minutes
Acknowledging & Accepting Another Perspective

Joe C., Allen, and Thom read from William Schaberg’s 30 Things: Practical Advice for Living Well to further explore the... more

13 Oct 2024 · 41 minutes
Expanding the Zone of Comfort

The fellas discuss the role of anger in emotional sobriety. We also read a thoughtful email from one of our... more

06 Oct 2024 · 30 minutes
In Pardoning, We Are Pardoned

On the journey towards forgiving others, we can’t bypass our grief. Thom, Patrick, and Tom Potash discuss both processing and... more

29 Sep 2024 · 40 minutes
He Doth Protest Too Much (Missive from ICSAA)!

Allen Berger and Joe Chisholm check in from this year’s ICSAA conference in Orlando, Florida, to relay an anecdote from... more

22 Sep 2024 · 30 minutes
Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
He Doth Protest Too Much (Missive from ICSAA)!
Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
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Allen Berger and Joe Chisholm check in from this year’s ICSAA conference in Orlando, Florida, to relay an anecdote from one of... more