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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder with Nilay Patel
The Verge

Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse... more

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Inside the players and politics of the AI industry

We’ve got a special episode of the show today – I was traveling last week, so Verge deputy editor Alex... more

20 Jun 2024 · 45 minutes
Why Tubi CEO Anjali Sud thinks free TV can win again

Tubi is a free and very rapidly growing streaming TV platform — according to Nielsen, it had an average of... more

17 Jun 2024 · 1 hour, 7 minutes
Remix: How private equity took over everything

Private equity is a simple concept — a PE firm uses some combination of money and debt to buy a... more

13 Jun 2024 · 39 minutes
AI will make money sooner than you think, says Cohere CEO Aidan Gomez

Cohere is one of the buzziest AI startups around right now. It's not making consumer products; it's focused on the... more

10 Jun 2024 · 1 hour, 10 minutes
Why the video game industry is such a mess

The art of video game design is flourishing, but it feels like a really grim time to be in the... more

06 Jun 2024 · 37 minutes
Zoom CEO Eric Yuan wants AI clones in meetings

Today, I’m talking with Zoom CEO Eric Yuan — and let me tell you, this conversation is nothing like what... more

03 Jun 2024 · 1 hour, 1 minute
Google Zero is here. Now what?

For nearly 20 years now, the web has been Google’s platform; we’ve all just lived on it. I think of... more

30 May 2024 · 27 minutes
How the FBI built its own smartphone company to hack the criminal underworld

Today, I’m talking with Joseph Cox, one of the best cybersecurity reporters around and a co-founder of the new media... more

23 May 2024 · 42 minutes
Google's Sundar Pichai on AI-powered search and the future of the web

Today, I’m talking to Google CEO Sundar Pichai, who joined the show the day after the big Google I/O developer... more

20 May 2024 · 44 minutes
TikTok's big bet to fight the ban bill

Last week, TikTok filed a lawsuit against the US government claiming the divest-or-ban law is unconstitutional — a case it... more

16 May 2024 · 46 minutes
Why Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen is confident we'll all adapt to AI

Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen has been at the top of my list of people I’ve wanted to talk to for... more

13 May 2024 · 1 hour,
Why the tech industry can’t crack the smart home

Today, we’re going to talk about the smart home — one of the oldest, most important, and most challenging dreams... more

09 May 2024 · 40 minutes
Polestar CEO Thomas Ingenlath on life after Volvo and weathering the EV slowdown

Today, I’m talking with Polestar CEO Thomas Ingenlath, whom I first interviewed on the show back in 2021. Those were... more

06 May 2024 · 1 hour, 4 minutes
Understanding the chaos at Tesla

Today, Verge transportation editor Andy Hawkins and I are going to try and figure out Tesla. I said try —... more

02 May 2024 · 39 minutes
Mercedes-Benz CEO Ola Källenius explains why EVs are still the future — but Apple's next-gen CarPlay isn't

A lot has changed since the last time Ola was on Decoder. Back then, he said Mercedes would have an... more

29 Apr 2024 · 1 hour, 8 minutes
Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems

Today, we’re talking about the brand-new TikTok ban — and how years of Congressional inaction on a federal privacy law... more

25 Apr 2024 · 47 minutes
Discord CEO Jason Citron makes the case for a smaller, more private internet

Today, I’m talking to Jason Citron, the co-founder and CEO of Discord, the gaming-focused voice and chat app. You might... more

22 Apr 2024 · 58 minutes
Disney just fought off a shareholder revolt — but the clock’s still ticking

Today, we're talking about Disney, the massive activist investor revolt it just fought off, and what happens next in the... more

18 Apr 2024 · 42 minutes
Dropbox CEO Drew Houston wants you to embrace AI and remote work

At the absolute most basic, Dropbox is cloud storage for your stuff — but that puts it at the nexus... more

15 Apr 2024 · 1 hour, 4 minutes
The rise and fall of Vice Media

Today we’re talking about Vice, the media company: Where it came from, what it did, and, ultimately, why it collapsed... more

11 Apr 2024 · 43 minutes
Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender

Cloudflare is an infrastructure provider basically protecting more than 20% of the entire web from bad actors. When everything is... more

08 Apr 2024 · 1 hour, 19 minutes
Why Nintendo sued a Switch emulator out of existence

Hello, and welcome to Decoder. This is David Pierce, editor-at-large at The Verge and co-host of The Vergecast, subbing in... more

04 Apr 2024 · 43 minutes
Mailchimp CEO Rania Succar on culture, acquisitions, and how big 'small business' really is

Today, I’m talking to Intuit Mailchimp CEO Rania Succar, who took over as CEO in 2022 after a pretty rough... more

01 Apr 2024 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
Can you patent a pizza?

Hey everyone it’s Nilay – I’m on vacation this week, so the Decoder team is taking a short break. We’ll... more

28 Mar 2024 · 52 minutes
Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CEO Jay Graber

Today, I’m talking to Jay Graber, the CEO of Bluesky Social, which is a decentralized competitor to Meta’s Threads, Mastodon,... more

25 Mar 2024 · 1 hour, 10 minutes
How Europe’s Digital Markets Act is reshaping Big Tech

Both the EU and US have spent the past decade looking at Big Tech and saying, "someone should do something!"... more

21 Mar 2024 · 32 minutes
Figma CEO Dylan Field is optimistic about the future and AI

We’ve got a fun one today — I talked to Figma CEO Dylan Field in front of a live audience... more

18 Mar 2024 · 53 minutes
Why Google Search feels like it’s gotten worse

If you’ve been listening to Decoder or the Vergecast for a while, you know that I am obsessed with Google... more

14 Mar 2024 · 39 minutes
How to save culture from the algorithms, with Filterworld author Kyle Chayka

Today, I’m talking to Kyle Chayka, a staff writer for The New Yorker, a regular contributor to The Verge, and... more

11 Mar 2024 · 1 hour, 7 minutes
Why people are falling in love with AI chatbots

Our Thursday episodes are all about big topics in the news, and this week we’re wrapping up our short series... more

07 Mar 2024 · 40 minutes
Guest host Hank Green makes Nilay Patel explain why websites have a future

On this special episode of Decoder, science educator and YouTuber Hank Green is guest hosting. And the guest? It’s Nilay... more

04 Mar 2024 · 1 hour, 3 minutes
AI deepfakes are cheap, easy, and coming for the 2024 election

Our new Thursday episodes of Decoder are all about deep dives into big topics in the news, and this week... more

29 Feb 2024 · 41 minutes
Crunchyroll President Rahul Purini on how anime took over the world

Today, I’m talking with Rahul Purini, the president of Crunchyroll, a streaming service focused entirely on anime — and really,... more

26 Feb 2024 · 1 hour, 10 minutes
Is the Apple Vision Pro All That?

The Decoder team is off this week. We’ll be back next week with both the interview and the new explainer... more

22 Feb 2024 · 1 hour, 4 minutes
How AI copyright lawsuits could make the whole industry go extinct

Our new Thursday episodes are all about deep dives into big topics in the news, and for the next few... more

15 Feb 2024 · 40 minutes
DOJ’s Jonathan Kanter says the antitrust fight against Big Tech is just beginning

Today, I’m talking with Jonathan Kanter, the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Antitrust Division at the Department of... more

12 Feb 2024 · 34 minutes
Why EV adoption in the US has hit a roadblock

We’re very excited for today’s episode, because from now on we’ll be delivering you two Decoders every week. On Monday’s... more

08 Feb 2024 · 42 minutes
Platformer’s Casey Newton on surviving the great media collapse and what comes next

Today, I’m talking with Casey Newton, the founder and editor of the Platformer newsletter and co-host of the Hard Fork... more

05 Feb 2024 · 1 hour, 8 minutes
Why Sen. Brian Schatz thinks child safety bills can trump the First Amendment

Today, I’m talking with Senator Brian Schatz, of Hawaii. We joke that Decoder is ultimately a show about org charts,... more

30 Jan 2024 · 1 hour, 9 minutes
Rep. Ro Khanna on what it will take for Congress to regulate AI, privacy, and social media

Today, I’m talking with Representative Ro Khanna, a Democrat from California. He’s been in Congress for eight years now, representing... more

23 Jan 2024 · 54 minutes
How Adobe is managing the AI copyright dilemma, with general counsel Dana Rao

Today, I'm talking to Dana Rao, who is General Counsel and Chief Trust Officer at Adobe. Now, if you're a... more

09 Jan 2024 · 1 hour, 25 minutes
How Donald Trump and Elon Musk killed Twitter, with Marty Baron and Zoe Schiffer

2023 will go down as the year that Elon Musk killed Twitter. First he did it in a big way,... more

21 Dec 2023 · 39 minutes
Why Flexport CEO Ryan Petersen took his company back

Ryan Petersen is the founder and CEO of Flexport, which makes software to optimize shipping everything from huge containers to... more

19 Dec 2023 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
USDS head Mina Hsiang wants Big Tech’s best minds to help fix the government

The US Digital Service has a fascinating structure: it comprises nearly 250 people, all of whom serve two-year stints developing... more

12 Dec 2023 · 1 hour, 4 minutes
IBM's Jerry Chow explains the next phase of quantum computing

IBM made some announcements this week about its plans for the next ten years of quantum computing: there are new... more

05 Dec 2023 · 55 minutes
Wix CEO Avishai Abrahami isn’t worried AI will kill the web

Today I’m talking with Avishai Abrahami, the CEO of Wix. You might know Wix as a website builder. It’s a... more

28 Nov 2023 · 1 hour, 11 minutes
Chaos at OpenAI: What happened to Sam Altman, and what's next

What actually happened at OpenAI in the last three days? Decoder host and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks with Verge... more

20 Nov 2023 · 1 hour, 9 minutes
Volvo CEO Jim Rowan thinks dropping CarPlay is a mistake

Today, I’m talking to Jim Rowan, the CEO of Volvo Cars. Now, Jim’s only been at Volvo for a short... more

14 Nov 2023 · 1 hour, 7 minutes
Barack Obama on AI, free speech, and the future of the internet

We’ve got a good one today. I’m talking to former President Barack Obama about AI, social networks, and how to... more

07 Nov 2023 · 47 minutes
AI is on a collision course with the music industry. Reservoir's Golnar Khosrowshahi thinks there’s a way through it

Today I'm talking with Golnar Khosrowshahi, the founder and CEO of Reservoir Media, a newer record label that I think... more

31 Oct 2023 · 56 minutes
Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig on why AI and social media are causing a free speech crisis for the internet

Today, I’m talking to internet policy legend Lawrence Lessig. He's been teaching law for more than 30 years, and is... more

24 Oct 2023 · 54 minutes
Clearview AI and the end of privacy, with author Kashmir Hill

Today, I’m talking to Kashmir Hill, a New York Times reporter whose new book, Your Face Belongs to Us: A... more

17 Oct 2023 · 1 hour, 1 minute
CEO David Baszucki's mission to make Roblox a billion-player platform

Today we’re bringing you the last of our live-on-stage interviews from the 2023 Code Conference. Verge deputy editor Alex Heath... more

12 Oct 2023 · 31 minutes
Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe on ramping up R1T production and competing with the Cybertruck

We’ve got another interview from the Code Conference today. My friend and co-host, CNBC’s Julia Boorstin, and I had a chance... more

10 Oct 2023 · 40 minutes
Getty Images CEO Craig Peters has a plan to defend photography from AI

Last week, when I was co-hosting the Code Conference, I got to talk with Getty Images CEO Craig Peters. The... more

05 Oct 2023 · 34 minutes
Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI and art will coexist in the future

I co-hosted the Code Conference last week, and today’s episode is one of my favorite conversations from the show: Microsoft... more

03 Oct 2023 · 44 minutes
'The Android of agriculture': Monarch Tractor CEO Praveen Penmetsa on the future of farming

We spent a lot of time here on Decoder talking about electric vehicles and the future of cars and we’re... more

30 Sep 2023 · 28 minutes
AMD CEO Lisa Su on the AI revolution

Today, we’re bringing you something a little different. The Code Conference was this week, and we had a great time... more

29 Sep 2023 · 35 minutes
X CEO Linda Yaccarino defends Elon Musk, and herself, at Code 2023

Today, we have a special episode for you. The Code Conference wrapped up this week, and the finale included a... more

29 Sep 2023 · 42 minutes
Mark Zuckerberg on Threads, the future of AI, and Quest 3

What motivates Mark Zuckerberg these days? It's a question Decoder guest host Alex Heath posed at the end of his... more

27 Sep 2023 · 1 hour, 11 minutes
After 10 years covering startups, former TechCrunch EIC Matthew Panzarino tells us what's next

TechCrunch is one of the most important trade publications in the world of tech and startups, and its annual Disrupt... more

19 Sep 2023 · 51 minutes
More than Sally Ride: Loren Grush explains how NASA’s first women astronauts changed space

The Six: The Untold Story of America's First Women Astronauts, from longtime space reporter and Verge alum Loren Grush, is... more

12 Sep 2023 · 57 minutes
Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away

Okta is a big company, a Wall Street SaaS darling. For most of us, it's the thing we have to... more

29 Aug 2023 · 1 hour, 13 minutes
Fandom runs some of the biggest communities on the web. Can CEO Perkins Miller keep them happy?

Perkins Miller is the CEO of Fandom, which both hosts thousands of wikis for everything from Disney to Grand Theft... more

22 Aug 2023 · 1 hour, 10 minutes
Land of the Giants: Tesla vs. The Competition

We have a little surprise in the feed today: An episode of "Land of the Giants," which is all about... more

15 Aug 2023 · 38 minutes
There's no AI without the cloud, says AWS CEO Adam Selipsky

AWS is quite a story. It started as an experiment almost 20 years ago with Amazon trying to sell its... more

08 Aug 2023 · 1 hour, 9 minutes
Rewind: Can Mastodon seize the moment from Twitter?

ActivityPub is back in the news, thanks to Meta’s Threads launch and Elon’s continued immolation of Twitter — now X.... more

25 Jul 2023 · 1 hour, 21 minutes
Why would anyone make a website in 2023? Squarespace CEO Anthony Casalena has some ideas

Today I’m talking to Anthony Casalena, the founder and CEO of Squarespace, the ubiquitous web hosting and design company. If... more

18 Jul 2023 · 1 hour, 3 minutes
Inside Google’s big AI shuffle — and how it plans to stay competitive, with Google DeepMind CEO Demis Hassabis

Today, I’m talking to Demis Hassabis, the CEO of Google DeepMind, the newly created division of Google responsible for AI... more

10 Jul 2023 · 1 hour, 2 minutes
Why CEO David Baszucki is ready for Roblox to grow up

Roblox has 66 million daily users, and people spent 14 billion collective hours on Roblox in just Q1 of 2023.... more

27 Jun 2023 · 54 minutes
Gary Vaynerchuk is ‘petrified’ of Slack

If you’ve spent more than two minutes somewhere on social media, you have probably come across Gary Vaynerchuk. For years... more

21 Jun 2023 · 50 minutes
Private equity bought out your doctor and bankrupted Toys”R”Us. Here’s why that matters.

The idea behind private equity or PE is simple: a private equity firm gathers up a bunch of cash, raises... more

13 Jun 2023 · 1 hour,
SiriusXM’s 360 strategy with CEO Jennifer Witz

Jennifer Witz is the CEO of SiriusXM. You probably know the company as the satellite radio brand in virtually every... more

06 Jun 2023 · 1 hour, 5 minutes
Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on AI copilots, disagreeing with OpenAI, and Sydney making a comeback

Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott oversees the company's AI efforts, including its big partnership with OpenAI and ChatGPT. Kevin and I... more

23 May 2023 · 1 hour, 7 minutes
Recode Media: Inside the AI Gold Rush

Today – we’ve got a treat for you. We’re going to run a special episode from our friends over at... more

16 May 2023 · 50 minutes
Exclusive: Google’s Sundar Pichai talks Search, AI, and dancing with Microsoft

Hello and welcome to Decoder. I’m Nilay Patel, editor in chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about... more

12 May 2023 · 42 minutes
I can't make products just for 41 year old tech founders," Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky on taking it back to the basics

Brian Chesky, the co-founder and CEO of Airbnb, was previously on the show in 2021. Back then, Airbnb was betting... more

09 May 2023 · 1 hour, 4 minutes
The social media age for news is over. Former BuzzFeed News editor Ben Smith on what’s next

Ben Smith is the former and founding editor-in-chief of Buzzfeed News, the founder and editor-in-chief of Semafor, and the author... more

02 May 2023 · 1 hour, 11 minutes
Bitcoin is still the future of payments, says Lightspark CEO David Marcus

We’ve got a special episode with Alex Heath, deputy editor at The Verge and a familiar host for Decoder listeners,... more

25 Apr 2023 · 50 minutes
Brightdrop isn’t just selling electric vans — it's redesigning delivery

Travis Katz is the CEO of BrightDrop, a subsidiary of GM that makes electrified delivery vans with an eye toward... more

18 Apr 2023 · 1 hour, 11 minutes
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Private equity bought out your doctor and bankrupted Toys”R”Us. Here’s why that matters.
Decoder with Nilay Patel

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The idea behind private equity or PE is simple: a private equity firm gathers up a bunch of cash, raises some investor... more