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Nobody Should Believe Me
Nobody Should Believe Me
True Story Media

Author Andrea Dunlop is looking for answers. When her older sister was first investigated for Munchausen by Proxy abuse more than a... more

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Introducing: Betrayal Weekly

We're sharing an episode of another podcast we love, Betrayal Weekly. In this episode, we meet "Kelsey." Her relationship is put to... more

28 Mar 2025 · 44 minutes
You Might Also Like: Revisionist History

Introducing In Defense of PAW Patrol from Revisionist History.Follow the show: Revisionist HistoryPAW Patrol is in trouble. Like Ryder and... more

28 Mar 2025 ·
The Andreas of Ethical True Crime with Andrea Gunning

This week, our Andrea is joined by Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal and There and Gone: South Street.... more

27 Mar 2025 · 44 minutes
Talking Shop with Brittani Ard

We have a very special bonus episode for you all! Andrea is joined by Brittani Ard, the host and creator... more

21 Mar 2025 · 1 hour, 5 minutes
Introducing: Our Ancestors Were Messy

Our Ancestors Were Messy, is a show about the ancestors and all their drama. On each episode, host Nichole Hill... more

21 Mar 2025 · 1 hour, 3 minutes
Answering Your Season 5 Questions

Welcome to our Season 5 Mailbag Episode! This time we’re joined by more of our fabulous Nobody Should Believe Me... more

20 Mar 2025 · 1 hour, 26 minutes
Case Files 11: New Media Journalism and Death Eaters with V Spehar

We have a very fun guest on NSBM Case Files this week: V Spehar aka Under the Desk News! In... more

13 Mar 2025 · 1 hour, 26 minutes
Season 5 Breakdown with Detective Mike Weber

To officially wrap up season 5, we’ve brought in our friend, Detective Mike Weber, to discuss his thoughts on the... more

06 Mar 2025 · 51 minutes
Introducing: THE DEADLY SEVEN with Ashley Willcott

Host Ashley Willcott is known as a tv anchor, a former judge, and a trial lawyer, and nearly all of... more

28 Feb 2025 · 3 minutes
S05 E09: Out of the Shadows

Episode 8 was originally our season finale, but a source we’d been speaking to for months bravely decided to go... more

27 Feb 2025 · 1 hour, 48 minutes
S05 Ep08: They Saw You

In our season finale, we see Sophie Hartman follow in the footsteps of the Kowalski family, Andrea’s sister Megan Carter... more

20 Feb 2025 · 43 minutes
Introducing: There and Gone

There and Gone: South Street covers the case of Richard Petrone and Danielle Imbo. Richard and Danielle were last seen... more

19 Feb 2025 · 45 minutes
S05 Ep07: Who is This Bad Soul?

We examine perhaps the most important piece of the complex puzzle of the Hartman case: what Sophie wrote about it... more

13 Feb 2025 · 1 hour, 3 minutes
S05 Ep06: Human Timebomb

Sophie insists to police and others that the real problem isn’t that she’s abusing her daughter but that Seattle Children’s–a... more

06 Feb 2025 · 1 hour, 11 minutes
The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy

It's pub day!! The Mother Next Door is officially out in the world. Thank you to everyone for all of... more

04 Feb 2025 · 40 minutes
S05 Ep05: The Breaking Point

In 2020, the Hartmans grow even more isolated as Covid hits: Sophie pulls C out of school citing worsening health... more

30 Jan 2025 · 51 minutes
S05 Ep04: When the Cameras are On

From corporate sponsorships to fundraisers large and small, Sophie Hartman was an expert at raising money for C’s various medical... more

23 Jan 2025 · 45 minutes
Introducing: PRETEND

From cult leaders to con artists and undercover FBI agents, PRETEND exposes those pretending to be someone they're not. *** LaDonna Humphrey,... more

20 Jan 2025 · 44 minutes
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis

Immediately after moving with C and M from Zambia to Seattle, WA, Sophie starts bringing C to various doctors, reporting... more

16 Jan 2025 · 50 minutes
S05 Ep02: Spiritual Warfare

In the second episode of season 5, Andrea dives into how Sophie’s Evangelical Christian beliefs colored her worldview. From claiming... more

09 Jan 2025 · 55 minutes
S05 Ep01: Sophie Saves Zambia

We begin the season by delving into Sophie Hartman’s 2016 memoir about her time in Zambia, Crowns of Beauty, where we... more

02 Jan 2025 · 45 minutes
Case Files 10: The Psychology of Perpetrators with Dr. Cathy Ayoub

In this last bonus episode before our season 5 premiere next week, we’re airing Andrea’s conversation with Dr. Catherine Ayoub,... more

26 Dec 2024 · 1 hour, 30 minutes
Season 5 Trailer

Season five of Nobody Should Believe Me tells the story of Sophie Hartman: a young, white midwestern evangelical missionary who... more

20 Dec 2024 · 3 minutes
Case Files 09: Jesika Jones Part 4 with Detective Mike Weber

In the final part of our miniseries covering the Jesika Jones case, Andrea is once again joined by Detective Mike... more

19 Dec 2024 · 55 minutes
Case Files 08: Jesika Jones Part 3 with Derek Jones

Welcome back to the 3rd installment of our 4-part series on the Jesika Jones case. In this episode, Andrea is... more

12 Dec 2024 · 53 minutes
Case Files 07: Jesika Jones Part 2 with Derek Jones

In the second episode of Andrea’s coverage of the Jesika Jones case, she’s joined by Derek Jones, Jesika’s then-husband. Derek... more

05 Dec 2024 · 56 minutes
You Probably Think This Story's About You | Season 2 Trailer

Brittani Ard returns to the tangled web of memories, wounds, and connections that shape our lives. After sharing her own... more

03 Dec 2024 · 2 minutes
Case Files 06: Jesika Jones Part 1 with Detective Mike Weber

This week on case files, Andrea is joined by Detective Mike Weber, a crimes against children investigator and long-time friend/contributor... more

27 Nov 2024 · 1 hour, 8 minutes
Introducing: You Probably Think This Story's About You

Chapter 1: It Started as a Love Story  When Brittani Ard matches with Kanon* on Hinge sparks fly. Their first date revealed... more

25 Nov 2024 · 40 minutes
Revisiting Season 3: Shelter

While the Nobody Should Believe Me team is hard at work on season 5, we’re revisiting the first episode of... more

21 Nov 2024 · 47 minutes
Exploring the Disturbing World of Mitoaction.org

In this episode, Andrea and Dr. Bex discuss mitochondrial disorders, which Dr. Bex has seen first-hand in her pediatric patients,... more

14 Nov 2024 · 1 hour, 42 minutes
On Combatting Hopelessness

In the wake of this week's election results, Andrea shares a minisode with her thoughts on committing yourself to a fight... more

08 Nov 2024 · 5 minutes
Case Files 05: Justina Pelletier Part 4

Dr. Bex joins Andrea for the final installment of our Justina Pelletier miniseries. They pick up by giving an overview... more

07 Nov 2024 · 59 minutes
Case Files 04: Justina Pelletier Part 3 with Beau Berman

In part 3 of our Justina Pelletier mini-series, Andrea and Beau pick up where part 2 left off, with the... more

31 Oct 2024 · 49 minutes
Case Files 03: Justina Pelletier Part 2 with Beau Berman

On this show we talk a lot about how Munchausen by Proxy cases are covered in the media, and today... more

24 Oct 2024 · 49 minutes
Case Files 02: Justina Pelletier Part 1

Case Files is back with the first episode of a multi-part series on the Justina Pelletier case. Andrea and Dr.... more

17 Oct 2024 · 54 minutes
Case Files 01: Kowalski, Ketamine, and Matthew Perry

Welcome to the first episode of Case Files, our new series for episodes between seasons! Andrea, either solo or joined... more

10 Oct 2024 · 1 hour, 25 minutes
Answering Your Season 4 Questions with Producer Myrriah

Welcome to our Season 4 Mailbag Episode! We’re so excited to officially introduce our fabulous producer Myrriah Gossett, who works... more

03 Oct 2024 · 1 hour, 4 minutes
BONUS: Unabridged Interview with Carly Ostler

On this week’s unabridged interview from season 4, Andrea chats with trauma therapist Carly Ostler. The two of them dive... more

26 Sep 2024 · 55 minutes
BONUS: Unabridged Interview with Jade Miller

This week, we are bringing you our full interview with Jade Miller, founder of Peer Support for Multiples and a... more

19 Sep 2024 · 47 minutes
BONUS: Unabridged Interview with Jackie Rodriguez

We are working hard on season 5 of Nobody Should Believe Me, but in the meantime, we’re bringing you a... more

12 Sep 2024 · 53 minutes
BONUS: Unabridged Interview with Bea Yorker

Law professor, nurse, and president of Munchausen Support, Bea Yorker, shares what first got her interested in working with Munchausen... more

05 Sep 2024 · 1 hour, 10 minutes
S04 Ep10: No One is Coming to Save Us

In our season four finale, we talk about what justice looks like for survivors of abuse and how to recover... more

22 Aug 2024 · 42 minutes
S04 Ep09: Cleaning Up The Mess

In the aftermath of Donna’s death, Jo returns home to Hutchinson to plan their mother’s funeral and clean up her... more

15 Aug 2024 · 45 minutes
S04 Ep08: The Long Goodbye

Just as Jo has made huge personal strides in the spring of 2023, Donna slides into a coma and Jo... more

08 Aug 2024 · 46 minutes
S04 Ep07: The Body is a Battlefield

Jo starts to make big strides within their personal life. From building community and finding friends, to finally being able... more

01 Aug 2024 · 42 minutes
S04 Ep06: “I love you to death”

When Jo begins sharing their experiences online, they get a request from the producers of nationally broadcast television show “The... more

25 Jul 2024 · 45 minutes
S04 Ep05: Revelations

Today we look back at Jo’s revelation in their twenties that they’d been a victim of Munchausen by proxy abuse:... more

18 Jul 2024 · 58 minutes
S04 Ep04: Breaking Free

Jo reconnects with their friend, Kristin, who took them in as a homeless teenager after Jo was removed from Donna’s... more

11 Jul 2024 · 52 minutes
S04 Ep03: Not Without My Daughter

As we dig deeper into Jo’s history, we tackle one of the many confusing aspects of their childhood: their paternity.... more

04 Jul 2024 · 41 minutes
A Ride-along with The Dating Detectives

In this very special crossover episode with our friends at The Dating Detectives, Andrea joins private eye Mackenzie Fultz and... more

01 Jul 2024 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
S04 Ep02: “I Brought You Into This World I Can Take You Out”

While visiting their hometown, Jo reconnects with their older sister, Crystal, to have the deeply honest and heart-wrenching conversation their... more

27 Jun 2024 · 59 minutes
S04 Ep01: Welcome To Hutchinson

Welcome to Season 4 of Nobody Should Believe Me! This season we are following the story of Jordyn Hope as... more

20 Jun 2024 · 50 minutes
Crime Close to Home: A Conversation with Madison McGhee

Andrea Dunlop interviews Madison McGhee, host of the Ice Cold Case podcast, about her personal journey investigating her father's unsolved... more

13 Jun 2024 · 1 hour, 4 minutes
A Survivor’s Journey

What if you woke up one day and discovered that your whole life had been a lie? When Jordyn Hope... more

11 Jun 2024 · 5 minutes
Answering Your Season 3 Questions with Dr. Bex

Welcome to the Season 3 mailbag episode! Andrea is joined by Dr. Bex (aka Secret Florida Doctor Friend), to... more

06 Jun 2024 · 1 hour, 13 minutes
Child Abuse Prevention: A Conversation with Kathleen Strader

This week Andrea is joined by Kathleen Strader, the National Director for Healthy Families America, the signature home visiting program... more

30 May 2024 · 1 hour, 3 minutes
What's Happening in Lehigh?

This week Andrea is joined by Dr. Marc Feldman as she dives into the complexities and controversies surrounding medical child... more

23 May 2024 · 36 minutes
S03 E20: Kowalski Case Update with Ethen Shapiro

Join Andrea as she delves back into the ongoing legal battle of Kowalski v. Johns Hopkins All Children's Hospital, with... more

16 May 2024 · 40 minutes
S03 E19: What Happened to Beata?

This week's episode delves into the intricate details surrounding Beata Kowalski's death, which was central to the Kowalski's lawsuit against... more

09 May 2024 · 46 minutes
S03 E18: What Jack Knew

As we prepare to launch Season Four next month, we’re revisiting the subject of Season Three—the landmark Kowalski v. Johns... more

02 May 2024 · 40 minutes
Cons, Scams, and Adventures in Podcasting with Roberta Blevins and Terra Newell

On this week's episode, Andrea is joined by Roberta Blevins, creator and host of the Life After MLM podcast, and... more

25 Apr 2024 · 42 minutes
Unabridged Conversation with Hope Ybarra

Listen to an episode we're releasing from our subscriber vault -- Andrea's full conversation with Hope Ybarra, whose story we've... more

18 Apr 2024 · 1 hour, 24 minutes
Revisiting Season One: There's Hope (Season One Finale)

In the final episode of our look back at season one, Andrea reflects on her experience interviewing Hope Ybarra, how... more

11 Apr 2024 · 45 minutes
Revisiting Season One: Can They Be Saved?

After a look back at season 1 episode 7, Can They Be Saved?, Andrea reflects on how her thoughts regarding... more

04 Apr 2024 · 45 minutes
Revisiting Season One: Sisters Surviving

During this look back at the 6th episode of our first season, we hear the story of twin sisters who... more

28 Mar 2024 · 1 hour, 16 minutes
Revisiting Season One: Nobody Would Believe Me: Dads Part 2

This is the 5th episode of our look back at season one of the show. We revisit Andrea's conversation with... more

21 Mar 2024 · 1 hour,
Unabridged Conversation with Dr. Jessica Pryce

Andrea connects with Dr. Jessica Pryce, an expert on the frontlines of child wellfare work, research, and reform. She talks... more

19 Mar 2024 · 57 minutes
Revisiting Season One: Nobody Would Believe Me: Dads Part 1

During this re-aired episode, we revisit our conversation with 2 fathers affected by Munchausen by Proxy. At the end of... more

14 Mar 2024 · 1 hour, 21 minutes
Revisiting Season One: What's in the Water in Tarrant County?

We take a look back at the third episode of the show. At the end of the episode, we catch... more

07 Mar 2024 · 1 hour, 25 minutes
Revisiting Season One: Who is Hope?

We take a look back at the second episode of the show. Stay tuned to hear Andrea share the story... more

29 Feb 2024 · 48 minutes
Revisiting Season One: Sisters

We're going back to the beginning with an extended version of our very first episode! Be sure to stay tuned... more

22 Feb 2024 · 42 minutes
Unabridged interview with Patrick (son of Dr. Sally Smith)

In this bonus episode you’ll hear host Andrea Dunlop's full interview with Dr. Sally Smith’s son, Patrick. They discuss the... more

08 Feb 2024 · 1 hour, 13 minutes
Unbridged interview with Ethen Shapiro

In this bonus episode you’ll hear host Andrea Dunlop's full interview with Ethen Shapiro, lead attorney for John Hopkins All... more

01 Feb 2024 · 1 hour, 3 minutes
Unbridged interview with Detective Mike Weber

In this bonus episode you’ll hear host Andrea Dunlop's full interview with friend of the show Detective Mike Weber.   Mike—who wrote... more

25 Jan 2024 · 1 hour, 26 minutes
S03 E17: Dangerous Women (Season Finale: Part 3)

In the third and final installment of our exclusive interview with Dr. Sally Smith, she shares her side of what happened... more

18 Jan 2024 · 1 hour, 22 minutes
S03 E16: Bad Press (Season Finale: Part 2)

In the second part of our exclusive interview with Dr. Sally Smith, we discuss how the media coverage of her... more

11 Jan 2024 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
S03 E15: The Trials of Dr. Sally Smith (Season Finale: Part 1)

In an exclusive interview with Dr. Sally Smith, host Andrea Dunlop travels to Florida to speak to the embattled child... more

04 Jan 2024 · 40 minutes
A survivor's perspective: unabridged interview with Jordyn Hope

In this bonus episode, host Andrea interviews regular guest and friend of the show Jordyn Hope, a survivor of Munchausen... more

28 Dec 2023 · 1 hour, 13 minutes
S03 E14: Media Circus

This week Andrea examines how the harrowing and complex story of the Maya Kowalski case turned into a pop culture... more

21 Dec 2023 · 47 minutes
S03 E13: What Now?

Just when we thought the endless saga of Kowalski v Johns Hopkins All Childrens was over...it turns out it might only... more

14 Dec 2023 · 51 minutes
S03 E12: System Override

With the jury's stunning $242 million verdict in favor of the Kowalski family, host Andrea Dunlop looks at why this... more

30 Nov 2023 · 46 minutes
S03 E11: Star Witness

As we continue to process the far-reaching implications of the shocking verdict in the Kowalski case, we take a closer... more

22 Nov 2023 · 1 hour, 15 minutes
S03 E10: The Verdict Part 2

Andrea checks in with lawyer and trial consultant Jonathan Leach hours after the Kowalski verdict comes down. They talk about... more

16 Nov 2023 · 34 minutes
S03 E09: The Verdict

Andrea and special guest Bex (aka our Florida pediatrcian friend) process the shocking verdict in the Maya Kowalski trial. After... more

10 Nov 2023 · 24 minutes
S03 E08: Trial of the Century

With a verdict in the case days away, host Andrea Dunlop unpacks some of what’s happened so far in the... more

07 Nov 2023 · 1 hour, 7 minutes
S03 E07: The Believers Part 2

As the Kowalski v Johns Hopkins All Childrens trial barrels forward, new information comes to light each day about what... more

03 Nov 2023 · 56 minutes
S03 E06: The Believers Part 1

In today’s episode, Andrea seeks an outside perspective on the controversial Maya Kowalski case. Laura Richards, host of Crime Analyst... more

02 Nov 2023 · 57 minutes
Your Questions About Season 2

Host Andrea Dunlop and lead producer Tina Nole dive into listener feedback from season 2 of Nobody Should Believe Me.... more

26 Oct 2023 · 23 minutes
S03 E05: The Women

In the flattened version of the Maya Kowalski story that has dominated the headlines, Beata Kowalski is a mother who... more

19 Oct 2023 · 37 minutes
S03 E04: Retaliation

Note: This episode contains sensitive content related to child abuse and suicide. Listener discretion is advised.    Beata Kowalski’s tragic death by... more

12 Oct 2023 · 49 minutes
S03 E03: In a Heartbeat

In our third episode, we look at a central piece of the story that was left unfinished at the time... more

05 Oct 2023 · 46 minutes
S03 E02: Shelter

As the Maya Kowalski case heads to trial, we dig into the massive trove of documents about this case and... more

28 Sep 2023 · 44 minutes
S03 E01: Special Report: Watching Take Care of Maya (re-release)

Warning: This content includes references to suicide and child abuse. If you or someone you know is having thoughts of... more

21 Sep 2023 · 50 minutes
Unabridged Conversation with Leah McGowan

In today's bonus episode, Andrea talks to family law attorney Leah McGowan about family and juvenile court and all of... more

14 Sep 2023 · 47 minutes
Unabridged Conversation with Bea Yorker

In Andrea’s full conversation with law professor and nurse Bea Yorker, they discuss the complexities of medical child abuse, their... more

31 Aug 2023 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
Unabridged Conversation with Dr. Carole Jenny

In Andrea’s full conversation with renowned child abuse pediatrician, Dr. Carole Jenny they discuss Dr. Jenny’s fascinating history in the field, the intricacies of... more

24 Aug 2023 · 1 hour, 12 minutes
S02 Ep10: Everything Everything Everything

In the finale of Season 2, we finally hear from the person at the center of our story: Alyssa Waybourn.... more

17 Aug 2023 · 38 minutes
S02 Ep09: Pandora’s Box

In this gripping episode, we delve into the heart-wrenching account of Jordyn Hope, another survivor of medical child abuse. Taking... more

10 Aug 2023 · 46 minutes
S02 Ep08: Only the Beginning

We return to Alyssa's story - In the aftermath of Brittany Philips' conviction, Alyssa faces a daunting new reality: the... more

03 Aug 2023 · 24 minutes
S02 Ep07: Megan

In the wake of obtaining shocking public records about her sister’s case, host Andrea Dunlop decides to divulge the details... more

27 Jul 2023 · 53 minutes
S02 Ep06: The Trial

Despite the undeniable evidence against Brittany, the verdict takes a shocking turn. Dawn Ferguson, the prosecutor on the case elucidates the... more

20 Jul 2023 · 27 minutes
NSBM Special Report: Watching Take Care of Maya

We gather top experts Bea Yorker, Dr. Mary Sanders, Detective Mike Weber, and MBP survivor Jordyn Hope to discuss the... more

17 Jul 2023 · 49 minutes
S02 Ep05: Tangled

The Waybourns face the daunting task of safeguarding Alyssa against Brittany's relentless attempts to pull her back into her web. We... more

13 Jul 2023 · 24 minutes
S02 Ep04: All In

In this season of Nobody Should Believe Me, we've heard from Sheriff Bill and Laura Waybourn about their concern for... more

06 Jul 2023 · 26 minutes
S02 Ep03: Where There’s Smoke

Detective Mike Weber dives into the digital rabbit hole of Brittany’s online activity and makes a discovery so shocking it... more

29 Jun 2023 · 28 minutes
S02 Ep02: What do we do about Brittany?

Heather Harris was one of many friends who was concerned about Brittany’s desperate need for attention for her daughter’s medical... more

22 Jun 2023 · 31 minutes
S02 Ep01: Blunt Force Instrument

Everyone in Brittany Philips’ life was worried about her daughter, Alyssa. Brittany was always talking about her child’s health issues,... more

15 Jun 2023 · 34 minutes
Alyssa's Story

In Season 2, we head back to Tarrant County, Texas to explore the case of Brittany Phillips, a mother who... more

08 Jun 2023 · 1 minute
Bonus: Questions Answered

In this bonus episode my producer Tina Nole from Larj Media and I respond to some of the questions that... more

01 Jun 2023 · 29 minutes
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In Season 2, we head back to Tarrant County, Texas to explore the case of Brittany Phillips, a mother who medically abused... more