Host Francesca Amiker sits down with directors Joe and Anthony Russo, producer Angela Russo-Otstot, stars Millie Bobby Brown and Chris Pratt, and more to uncover how family was the key to building the emotional core of The Electric State . From the Russos’ own experiences growing up in a large Italian family to the film’s central relationship between Michelle and her robot brother Kid Cosmo, family relationships both on and off of the set were the key to bringing The Electric State to life. Listen to more from Netflix Podcasts . State Secrets: Inside the Making of The Electric State is produced by Netflix and Treefort Media.…
What's it like to be a man in the 21st century? How are feminist issues relevant to men and boys? How can we engage in productive conversations about gender equality? These questions are being discussed more than ever. Our monthly podcast delves into these issues with experts such as practitioners, activists and academics. In each episode, you’ll hear in-depth conversations about a wide-range of topics connected to masculinity and the lives of men and boys, from supporting men's health, to preventing gender-based violence, to promoting involved fatherhood. The podcast is hosted by two social science researchers, based on the opposite sides of the world: Sandy Ruxton from Durham University's Centre for Research into Violence and Abuse (UK) and Dr Stephen Burrell from the University of Melbourne (Australia). If you would like to give us your feedback, suggest a guest, or have a question you'd like us to discuss, get in touch at nowandmen@gmail.com. And if you like what we do, please share us with your friends, and leave a review!
What's it like to be a man in the 21st century? How are feminist issues relevant to men and boys? How can we engage in productive conversations about gender equality? These questions are being discussed more than ever. Our monthly podcast delves into these issues with experts such as practitioners, activists and academics. In each episode, you’ll hear in-depth conversations about a wide-range of topics connected to masculinity and the lives of men and boys, from supporting men's health, to preventing gender-based violence, to promoting involved fatherhood. The podcast is hosted by two social science researchers, based on the opposite sides of the world: Sandy Ruxton from Durham University's Centre for Research into Violence and Abuse (UK) and Dr Stephen Burrell from the University of Melbourne (Australia). If you would like to give us your feedback, suggest a guest, or have a question you'd like us to discuss, get in touch at nowandmen@gmail.com. And if you like what we do, please share us with your friends, and leave a review!
Tarang Chawla knows firsthand the devastating impacts of men’s violence, and the ripple effects it sends through families and communities – including on other boys and men. This is what led him to set up Not One More Niki, in memory of his younger sister Nikita who was murdered by her partner in 2015. Tarang is one of Australia’s most well-known and outspoken male advocates against gender-based violence. He talks to us about where he thinks Australian society needs to go from here in its efforts to end men’s violence against women, after a year in which a series of terrible murders brought this onto the agenda in a way not seen before. We also discuss the position of gender equality and masculinity in the upcoming Australian federal election, including on issues such as ‘law and order’; coming to terms with racism and colonialism in Australia and the UK; and why understanding boys’ and men’s experiences of race and class can help us to reach out to them more meaningfully. Tarang is an award-winning speaker, writer, advocate, and recovering lawyer. Among other things, he is a Commissioner at the Victorian Multicultural Commission, and a sessional academic at Monash University and the University of Melbourne. He also wrote, produced and hosted the first two series of the acclaimed podcast There's No Place Like Home. Tarang’s website: https://tarangchawla.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tarangchawla LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tarangchawla/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tarangchawlaonline Not One More Niki: https://www.instagram.com/notonemoreniki There’s No Place Like Home: https://www.futurewomen.com/theresnoplacelikehome/ Episode timeline Intro and acknowledgement of country Tarang’s journey into working to end men’s violence against women (03:17-06:28) Media portrayals of men who use violence (06:28-10:49) Talking about the ripple effects of men’s violence (10:49-14:04) The obstacles of masculine expectations (14:04-16:15) Men’s experiences of child sexual abuse (16:15-21:30) Being a spokesperson on these issues as a man (21:30-27:42) Break The impact of recent high-profile murders of Australian women (27:53-32:17) Debates about prevention work in Australia (32:17-36:35) Masculinity in the upcoming Australian election (36:35-39:09) Discourses about being ‘tough on crime’ (39:09-43:00) The pushback against equity and diversity initiatives (43:00-46:06) Racism in Australia (46:06-49:12) Understanding men and boys’ own experiences of marginalisation (49:12-54:43) Conclusion [Addressing sexism and racism simultaneously; Punitive responses to crime; Coming to the terms with British colonialism] (56:06-01:02:09) More info “Earlier this month, it was announced that former AFL player Ben Cousins will join the Seven Network’s commentary team” https://www.smh.com.au/national/ben-cousins-new-tv-job-is-offensive-to-women-20250314-p5ljni.html “Locking up young people might make you feel safer but it doesn’t work, now or in the long term” https://theconversation.com/locking-up-young-people-might-make-you-feel-safer-but-it-doesnt-work-now-or-in-the-long-term-237742 “Who is the new leader of the Liberal party Peter Dutton?” https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/who-is-the-new-leader-of-the-liberal-party-peter-dutton/vwj0p6nyy “Voice referendum normalised racism towards Indigenous Australians, report finds” https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/06/voice-referendum-normalised-racism-towards-indigenous-australians-report-finds Thank you to Dom Stichbury and Chaps Choir for providing our new music with their song 'Now is time' https://www.facebook.com/ChapsChoir/…
The backlash against gender equality, or what its advocates describe with terms such as 'gender ideology' and 'wokeism', is reaching an ever-rising crescendo in Europe and countries across the globe. It poses a major threat to the hard-won achievements of the feminist movement. But what are the forces pushing the 'anti-gender movement' – and how should we respond to it? How is it manifesting itself differently in different countries, and how are politicians exploiting it? How is it seeking to antagonise men's insecurities, whilst offering few solutions to the problems they face? And what can organisations working with boys and men, and each of us as individuals, do in this critical moment? Expert Aleks Dimitrijevic provides us with vital insights. Aleks is the co-founder and president of Men Against Violence in Malta, and a member of the Steering Committee of MenEngage Europe. He talks to us about how Malta was until recently the only country in the EU to completely outlaw abortion, how activists are continuing to struggle to lift the draconian restrictions against it, and the personal challenges he and his family have faced for campaigning in this area. Men Against Violence: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100068193336893 Men 4 Dem project: https://www.men4dem.eu/ MenEngage Europe: https://menengage.org/region/europe/ Thank you to Dom Stichbury and Chaps Choir for our new podcast music, with their song 'Now is time' https://www.facebook.com/ChapsChoir/ Episode timeline Introduction Gender (in)equality in Malta (02:12-05:17) The struggle to lift Malta’s abortion ban (05:17-08:01) Religious obstacles (08:01-10:39) Personal challenges Aleks and his family have faced (10:39-15:04) What is backlash? (15:04-17:05) Key issues for the 'anti-gender' movement (17:05-20:17) Resistance to preventing violence against women (20:17-26:13) The weaponisation of men’s issues (26:13-29:08) The 'men’s rights' movement (29:08-38:15) Break Right-wing populism and the mainstreaming of the 'anti-gender' movement (38:18-44:53) What people working with boys and men can do about it (44:53-48:27) Who is funding the backlash (48:27-51:36) Communicating in a language men and boys understand (51:36-55:47) Conclusion [Connections with climate denial; Struggles on the left; Parallels with the 1930s; Majority opinion; Building the next generation of activists] (55:47-01:02:24) More info ‘‘Women are treated like walking incubators’: Malta’s fight for abortion’ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/19/the-fight-for-abortion-in-malta ‘Malta to allow abortion but only when woman’s life is at risk’ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/28/malta-to-allow-abortion-but-only-when-womans-life-is-at-risk ILGA – “For the seventh year in a row, Malta continues to occupy the number one spot on the Rainbow Europe Map, with a score of 92%” https://www.ilga-europe.org/report/rainbow-europe-2022/ Women’s Rights Foundation https://www.wrf.org.mt Susan Faludi, ‘Backlash’ https://susanfaludi.com/backlash.html Susan Faludi, ‘Stiffed’ https://susanfaludi.com/stiffed.html Agnieszka Graff and Elżbieta Korolczuk, ‘Anti-Gender Politics in the Populist Moment’ https://www.routledge.com/Anti-Gender-Politics-in-the-Populist-Moment/Graff-Korolczuk/p/book/9780367679507 European Parliamentary Forum https://www.epfweb.org…
Masculinity is playing a significant yet under-discussed role in harms against animals and the environment. From hunting, to meat-eating, to driving fast cars, to burning fossil fuels, ‘man’s’ domination of nature is closely connected to gender inequality and masculine norms. In this 50th episode special, we discuss with Dr Cassie Pedersen why we urgently need to break down stereotypes suggesting that it is ‘feminine’ to care for nature, and help boys and men to embrace our interdependence with the world around us. We ask: Do environmental and animal activism challenge gender norms? What can each of us do in our own everyday lives? And how is ecofeminism relevant to men and boys? This is based on a new paper by Cassie and Stephen in the Journal of Criminology, ‘From men's violence to an ethic of care: Ecofeminist contributions to green criminology’ . Then, in part two, with Cassie’s help, we review the first 50 episodes of Now and Men. What have been our highlights so far? What directions should the podcast take in the future? And how do we face up to the increasingly authoritarian and destructive times we are living in? Join us in reflecting on the personal and political issues the podcast has explored over the last 3+ years, and what it has taught us about masculinity and allyship today. Dr Cassie Pedersen is a Lecturer in Criminology and Criminal Justice at Federation University (Australia). Her background is in philosophy, with her PhD being on the theory of trauma, and her current work focuses predominantly on green criminology and harms against non-human animals. Read the paper: https://doi.org/10.1177/26338076241293145 A recent piece by Stephen and Cassie, ‘It’s time to recognise the role masculinity is playing in the climate crisis’: https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/its-time-to-recognise-the-role-masculinity-is-playing-in-the-climate-crisis Cassie’s profile: https://federation.edu.au/institutes-and-schools/ieac/staff-profiles/staf-profiles/cassie-pedersen LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassie-pedersen-a30406153/ Episode timeline Introduction Men’s violence and environmental destruction (01:46-05:01) Green criminology and ecofeminism explained (05:01-07:28) The relationship between masculinity and violence against animals (07:28-10:47) Why an ethic of care offers an alternative (10:47-14:16) The impact of ecofeminism on Cassie and Stephen (14:16-19:51) Broadening what we mean by activism (19:51-25:19) The gendered dynamics of environmentalism (25:19-31:52) Break Standout episodes of Now and Men (31:57-36:56) The most significant issues we have and should cover (36:56-44:28) Bizarre and unusual podcast experiences (44:28-48:40) Gender, podcasting, and allyship (48:40-52:26) Episodes we’ve particularly enjoyed (52:26-54:07) What we’ve learned (54:07-56:51) Inspiring figures of 2024, and messages to take away (56:51-01:02:59) End More info Petra Kelly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petra_Kelly Carol Adams: https://caroljadams.com Liz Kelly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Kelly ‘Hottest year on record sent planet past 1.5C of heating for first time in 2024’: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/10/world-temperature-in-2024-exceeded-15c-for-first-time ‘World’s richest use up their fair share of 2025 carbon budget in 10 days’: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/10/worlds-richest-use-up-their-fair-share-of-2025-carbon-budget-in-10-days Rupert Read: https://rupertread.net Climate Majority Project: https://climatemajorityproject.com Raewyn Connell, ‘A whole new world: Remaking masculinity in the context of the environmental movement’: https://doi.org/10.1177/089124390004004003 Jimmy Carter Ted Talk: https://youtu.be/wfW3aZCFfLA?feature=shared Jackson Katz, ‘Jimmy Carter was one of the world’s leading anti-sexist men’: https://jacksonkatz.substack.com/p/jimmy-carter-was-one-of-the-worlds ‘Nine apologises for using digitally altered image of Animal Justice Party MP Georgie Purcell’: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-30/victorian-mp-georgie-purcell-altered-image/103403664…
Why have male voice community choirs become more popular in the UK and beyond in recent years? How are they playing with norms of masculinity? Why is it that choirs often struggle to recruit men? What impact can they have on men’s lives and wellbeing? How are they helping men to connect and find community? And can they help us to build gender equality? In our Christmas Special for 2024, we explore these issues and more with Dom Stichbury. Dom is a choir director, singer, songwriter, arranger, and group singing advocate. He’s the founder and artistic director of London-based groups Chaps Choir and Bellow Fellows, one half of vocal duo Ben and Dom (who do shows and run workshops around the UK), and a member of Oaken (a quartet of singers and choir leaders). He also performs with the Australian-based Spooky Men's Chorale. The episode features recordings of three Chaps Choir’s performances: ‘Alilo’: https://soundcloud.com/chapschoir/sets/chaps-choir-live-union-chapel ‘Now is time’: https://open.spotify.com/track/3eVsnZrmVwM0asAJOxwCub ‘Drop of shanty’: https://open.spotify.com/track/0GB0HIzocneuONyhxehdIw?si=c0fb1d6bc2bd4344 Find out more about Dom’s work: http://www.dominicstichbury.com http://www.chapschoir.com https://www.bellowfellows.com https://www.benanddom.com https://www.oakenharmony.com https://spookymen.com Episode timeline: ‘Alilo’ + Intro (00:00-02:27) The story of Chaps Choir and Bellow Fellows (02:27-04:32) The wider phenomena of male voice community choirs (04:32-06:01) International examples and subverting masculinity (06:01-07:24) Recruiting men (07:24-09:52) How the groups have shifted (09:52-11:54) The benefits of being part of a choir (11:54-16:25) Becoming more attuned with our bodies (16:25-18:00) Differences between mixed and men’s groups (18:00-20:04) Making groups inclusive (20:04-22:53) Encouraging people to sing together in settings like prisons (22:53-25:13) Why men are less likely to join choirs (25:13-29:00) Football chanting (29:00-31:14) Expressing emotion and vulnerability (31:14-35:52) ‘Now is time’ (32:34-36:52) The potential for choirs to promote change (36:52-39:42) Which groups of men (don’t) take part (39:42-44:25) Bringing a diverse group together (44:25-46:15) Forging friendships and community (46:15-48:15) Singing during Covid-19 (48:15-50:39) How Dom started singing (50:39-53:40) ‘Drop of shanty’ (53:17-55:05) Conclusion (54:32-01:01:25) More info: The Best Sing Since Sliced Bread: https://www.bestsingsince.co.uk Huutajat: https://www.huutajat.org/en/ Research by Emily Falconer - ‘In harmony or out of tune: Affective and emotional geographies of all-male choirs in London, UK’: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.emospa.2022.100925 Singing in the Shed: https://www.singingintheshed.co.uk Philip Read: https://www.philipread.net/ Blokefest: https://www.blokefest.net Manchoir: http://manchoir.co.uk ‘True colours’, Manchoir: https://youtu.be/8tioUZghMQY ‘Will you still love me tomorrow’, Bellow Fellows: https://youtu.be/qgRuVkmwXrI Find a choir: https://www.naturalvoice.net 'Glorious Rabble', Extinction Rebellion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Qmiyn68Es…
What do we know about men’s friendships, and why have their social networks declined in the past 30 years? Why do so many find it hard to cultivate emotionally supportive friendships with each other? Why is it that men are more at risk of loneliness and social isolation than women? What are the impacts of this, both for men themselves and the women they are close to? And what can we do about it? In this episode, Dr Angelica Ferrara discusses these issues and more, drawing upon her recent article (with Dylan Vergara) ‘Theorizing mankeeping: The male friendship recession and women’s associated labour as a structural component of gender inequality’ . The authors argue that fewer close relationships between men may cause some to rely heavily on relationships with women, especially romantic relationships, for emotional support. This may increase the emotion work women do to support men, through a phenomenon Angelica and Dylan label as ‘mankeeping’ - which can in turn contribute to gender inequity. Angelica is a postdoctoral scholar at Stanford University’s Clayman Institute for Gender Research, and a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics. She is trained as a developmental and social psychologist, and her work seeks to understand how gender ideologies shape behaviour and relationships. She’s currently working on a book called ‘Men Without Men’ , about boys’ and men’s friendships throughout history and across cultures. Angelica’s profile: https://gender.stanford.edu/people/angelica-puzio-ferrara LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angelica-puzio-ferrara-phd-3231b6211/ Twitter: https://x.com/angeliferrara Read the paper: https://doi.org/10.1037/men0000494 On the media coverage it has received: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/angelica-puzio-ferrara-phd-3231b6211_mankeeping-slides-activity-7265003061960445952-U6l7/ Episode timeline Introduction The male friendship recession (02:32-04:39) Differences among men (04:39-07:36) Why friendships are so important (07:36-10:33) The impact of masculine norms on men’s friendships (10:33-14:03) Changes with ageing and retirement (14:03-19:18) Why men’s social settings sometimes don’t help (19:18-21:18) How mankeeping works (21:18-25:16) Its impacts on women (25:16-27:30) Why boys have just as much capacity for relationships (27:30-32:08) Break How society needs to change (32:12-37:06) Creating spaces for men to connect (37:06-39:56) Men on their own (39:56-41:29) What individual men can do (41:29-46:03) Why we need to support others (46:03-48:29) The significance of touch (48:29-50:38) What led Angelica to this research (50:38-54:25) Conclusion [Personal struggles with conforming to masculine norms and building close friendships with men; The need to reach out; Fears of rejection; Totalitarianism and a sense of abandonment; Far-right exploitation of men's isolation] (54:25-01:03:57) More info Harvard Study of Adult Development: https://www.adultdevelopmentstudy.org Carolyn J. Rosenthal, ‘Kinkeeping in the familial division of labor’: https://doi.org/10.2307/352340 Niobe Way, ‘Deep Secrets’: https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674072428 Judy Chu, ‘When Boys Become Boys’: https://nyupress.org/9780814764800/when-boys-become-boys/ Niobe Way et al, ‘“It might be nice to be a girl... Then you wouldn't have to be emotionless”: Boys' resistance to norms of masculinity during adolescence’: https://doi.org/10.1037/a0037262 Hannah Arendt, ‘The Origins of Totalitarianism’: https://www.penguin.com.au/books/the-origins-of-totalitarianism-9780241316757…
With the US presidential election fast approaching, and the unexpected entry of Kamala Harris into the race, gender issues are central to the debate. Polls suggest women are more likely to vote Democrat, and men – including young men – more likely to vote Republican. A particular focus of both campaigns is on seeking to win men over, drawing upon different cultural narratives of masculinity. How is the Trump/Vance campaign drawing on masculinist and misogynistic discourses to appeal to those men who feel marginalised and resentful of women’s gains? How are the Harris/Walz campaign seeking to promote a ‘new masculinity’, where men can be both steady and strong, tender and vulnerable? In this episode, we explore with Rob Okun how this contemporary contest reflects shifting notions of masculinity over the past 50 years in the US. In particular, we discuss reproductive rights after the Roe vs Wade protection of the right to abortion was overturned by the Supreme Court in 2022, and the ways in which increasing numbers of men are acting in support of women’s right to choose. We also talk with Rob about his longstanding involvement in the US profeminist men’s movement, and how becoming a father was a key factor in his own journey to activism and engagement. Rob is perhaps best known for being the editor and publisher from 1996 to 2023 of Voice Male magazine, covering topics including men’s violence, fatherhood, men’s health, and LGBTQIA+ issues, both in the US and internationally. He is also the editor of an excellent book, ‘Voice Male: The Untold Story of the Profeminist Men’s Movement’. He is a former executive director of the Men’s Resource Center for Change, which was one of the earliest men’s centers in North America. He continues to speak at colleges and universities around the US, and writes for newspapers and websites such as Ms. Magazine. Rob’s personal website: https://robokun.net Voice Male magazine: https://voicemalemagazine.org Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/voicemalemagazine Rob’s writing for Ms. Magazine: https://msmagazine.com/author/robokun/ The 'Voice Male' book: https://shop.nextgenmen.ca/products/voice-male-the-untold-story-of-the-pro-feminist-mens-movement-by-rob-a-okun Episode timeline Intro The impact of Hurricane Helene in North Carolina (02:22-07:11) The potential significance of having a woman of colour as president (07:11-13:08) The ‘gender split’ in voting patterns (13:08-17:11) How Trump and Vance have been exploiting some men’s grievances (17:11-24:44) A ‘new masculinity’ among the Democrats? (24:44-29:58) Break Rob’s journey In the US profeminist men’s movement (30:05-40:29) How Voice Male developed over time (40:29-45:38) How Rob sees his role in the movement now (45:38-51:18) What he thinks Americans should do ahead of the election (51:18-54:17) Conclusion [Comparing with Jackson Katz interview; The Man Card film; ‘Tampon Tim’; Democrat leaders still needing to emphasise their toughness; Trump targeting young men; the US being a centre-left country; The impact of fatherhood; Overlaps in activism] (54:22-01:00:37) Explainers Patti Smith - ‘People have the power’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Wz3i_BYUc Men4Choice https://www.men4choice.org White Dudes for Harris https://whitedudesforharris.com Andrew Yarrow, ‘Man Out’ https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780815732754/Man-Out-Men-on-the-Sidelines-of-American-Life Peter Thiel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel The Electoral College https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College MenEngage Alliance https://menengage.org Steven Botkin https://www.mergeforequality.org/trainers/ Next Gen Men https://www.nextgenmen.ca Gloria Steinem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem Kamala Harris v Brett Cavanagh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6g-zycRv8Q The Man Card documentary https://www.themancardmovie.com ‘Men’s Activism to End Violence Against Women’ https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/mens-activism-to-end-violence-against-women…
Despite the growth of discourses around ‘involved fatherhood’ and ‘work-family balance’, parenting remains highly challenging and inequitable, with expectations of parents intensifying and much of the load continuing to fall on mothers. This is despite men demonstrating in a variety of settings their capacity to engage in caregiving just as effectively as women. So what can we can do to make it easier for men to take up care work in its different forms, and to support parents with raising children and building gender equity in the home? Prof Tina Miller discusses over two decades of research she has conducted on family life with parents, including a recent study on the experiences of Syrian refugee fathers in the UK and Sweden. This provides a very different picture of the struggles faced by refugees from the negative portrayals that habitually dominate media narratives. Also, Now and Men now has a Facebook page! Follow us at https://www.facebook.com/nowandmen Tina is a Professor of Sociology at Oxford Brookes University, UK. She has been an expert advisor to the World Health Organisation, thinktanks and political parties in the UK and EU. Profile: https://www.brookes.ac.uk/profiles/staff/tina-miller Twitter: https://x.com/proftinamiller LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tina-miller-8784a322/ She has published several books on parenthood with Cambridge University Press. Motherhood: Contemporary Transitions and Generational Change (2023): https://www.cambridge.org/au/universitypress/subjects/sociology/sociology-gender/motherhood-contemporary-transitions-and-generational-change Making Sense of Parenthood: Caring, Gender and Family Lives (2017): https://www.cambridge.org/au/universitypress/subjects/sociology/sociology-gender/making-sense-parenthood-caring-gender-and-family-lives Making Sense of Fatherhood: Gender, Caring and Work (2010): https://www.cambridge.org/au/universitypress/subjects/sociology/sociology-general-interest/making-sense-fatherhood-gender-caring-and-work Making Sense of Motherhood: A Narrative Approach (2005): https://www.cambridge.org/au/universitypress/subjects/sociology/sociology-general-interest/making-sense-motherhood-narrative-approach Tina has also authored/presented a series of BBC Radio 4 Analysis programmes. What's changing about childbirth: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001n2h0 Why do we assume women care?: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001f53p Modern parenting: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000k2tv Episode timeline Introduction Syrian refugee dads: Representation v reality (02:15-06:33) How services treat refugee mothers and fathers (06:33-09:53) Differences in refugee experiences in Sweden/the UK (09:53-12:42) Syrian dads’ relationships with Western notions of ‘involved’ fatherhood (12:42-15:21) Tina’s experience of interviewing refugee families (15:21-21:16) First-time fathers in the UK (21:16-30:24) Transitions in parenting (30:24-34:19) Break The intensification of parenthood (34:25-38:09) Illusions of work-family balance (38:09-42:40) How we can get men more involved (42:40-45:26) Older men’s caregiving (45:26-48:22) Recruiting more men to the social care sector (48:22-53:10) The beginnings of Tina’s career in the Solomon Islands and Bangladesh (53:10-56:32) Conclusion - Class inequities and parenting; Different family types; Ken Loach’s ‘The Old Oak’; Climate change and refugees; The riots and refugee ambivalence about sharing their stories; Shifting the discourse on migration (56:32-01:03:53) Explainers Edgar’s Mission: https://edgarsmission.org.au ‘Men and Welfare’ book: https://doi.org/10.4324/9781003178811 Damascus Rose Kitchen, Oxford: https://www.damascusrosekitchen.org ‘The Old Oak’ film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_Oak…
For one turbulent week at the end of July this year, serious rioting broke out across around 20 towns and cities in England and Northern Ireland. Rioters attacked homes and businesses owned by immigrants, and set fire to accommodation housing asylum-seekers. The riots began near Liverpool after the horrific murder of three young girls in a neighbouring town, about which far-right supporters spread false claims online that the perpetrator was a Muslim migrant or asylum-seeker. Whilst some women were involved, the vast majority of the rioters were men. So how should we understand the place of masculinities and misogyny in these events, and in extreme movements more generally? What should we make of the response of the authorities, focused largely on criminality, arrests, and imprisonment? How significant is the subsequent upsurge in anti-racism rallies across the country, which heavily outnumbered the far-right rioters? We talk to Dr Elizabeth Pearson about her recent book ‘Extreme Britain: Gender, Masculinity and Radicalisation’, which explores misogyny and masculinities in relation to the far-right (English Defence League, Britain First, and For Britain) and the Islamist group al-Muhajiroun. The book is based on interviews with figures including Anjem Choudary, Tommy Robinson, Jayda Fransen, and Anne Marie Waters. Elizabeth argues that radicalisation is a ‘masculinity project’ for those who get involved in extremism – both for those on the far-right, and those in Islamist groups. Elizabeth is a Senior Lecturer in Criminology at Royal Holloway, University of London. She is also an Associate Fellow at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) for Defence and Security Studies. Prior to academia, she worked as a radio journalist for the BBC. Profile: https://pure.royalholloway.ac.uk/en/persons/elizabeth-pearson Twitter: https://x.com/lizzypearson LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-pearson-3572a117/ Elizabeth’s ‘Extreme Britain’ book: https://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/extreme-britain/ She also co-authored ‘Countering Violent Extremism: Making Gender Matter’ (2020): https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-21962-8 Her Conversation piece about the riots: https://theconversation.com/the-hypermasculine-far-right-how-white-nationalists-tell-themselves-they-are-protecting-women-and-children-when-they-riot-236250 Her writing for RUSI: https://rusi.org/people/pearson Episode timeline Introduction (00:00-02:37) Elizabeth’s feelings as she saw the riots unfold (02:37-05:42) Government and public responses to the riots (05:42-09:30) Discourses about ‘protecting’ women and girls (09:30-14:41) Connections between misogyny, domestic abuse, and extremism (14:41-19:06) Men's responses (19:06-23:55) Break (23:55) Why extremist radicalisation is a ‘masculinity project’ (24:00-27:45) Similarities and differences between the far-right and Islamist extremism (27:45-33:37) Elizabeth’s experience of conducting her research (33:37-39:40) Women’s place in the far-right (39:40-49:11) What got Elizabeth involved in this area of research (49:11-54:12) Conclusion [The counter-protests; addressing the root causes; links between the mainstream and far-right; exploitation of working-class men; protest masculinity; engaging with people across divides] (54:12-01:02:29) Explainers More info at Hope Not Hate: https://hopenothate.org.uk/case-files-hub/ Tommy Robinson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson Andrew Tate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tate Nigel Farage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage Greggs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greggs Anjem Choudary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary ‘Home Grown’ by Joan Smith - https://www.hachette.co.uk/titles/joan-smith/home-grown/9781787476066/ Prevent Strategy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONTEST UCL ‘Grievance’ research team: https://www.grievance-erc.com Prof Joel Busher: https://pureportal.coventry.ac.uk/en/persons/joel-busher English Defence League: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League Britain First: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First For Britain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Britain_Movement Al-Muhajiroun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Muhajiroun Jayda Fransen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayda_Fransen Anne-Marie Waters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Marie_Waters Boudica: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica Pegida: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegida…
Professor Jeff Hearn has been engaging in academic, activist, and personal work on men, masculinities, and pro-feminism for over 45 years. So how does he reflect on what he has observed over the course of his career, and in contemporary debates? For instance, what are ‘political masculinities’ and how are they playing out in today’s turbulent political climate? Is it possible to categorise different legal and policy approaches to men and gender equality across Europe? What counts as ‘violence’ and how should we understand the links between different forms? How can memory work help to explain the relationship between masculinity and ageing? These are some of the concepts and issues we explore in this wide-ranging episode, based on Jeff’s rich body of writing and research since the 1970s. Jeff’s work is well known in the field of critical studies on men and masculinities. He has also worked extensively on organisations, management and work, with special emphasis on gender, sexuality, diversity and intersectionality; and men’s violence to women and children. His wider interests include globalisation and transnationalisations, social theory, and cultural studies. He spent his early career at Bradford University in the UK, rising to became head of department. Since then, he has held various posts internationally, including: Research Professor in Social Sciences, Manchester University, UK; Professor of Gender Studies, Linköping University, Sweden; and currently Professor Emeritus, Management and Organisation, Hanken School of Economics, Finland; Senior Professor, Human Geography, Örebro University, Sweden; and Professor of Sociology, University of Huddersfield, UK. He was also a founder member of ‘Profeministimiehet’, Finland. Jeff’s work: https://www.hanken.fi/sv/person/jeff-hearn https://www.oru.se/english/employee/jeff_hearn https://pure.hud.ac.uk/en/persons/jeff-hearn Episode timeline: Introduction (00:00-03:32) The ‘masculinity contest’ between Biden and Trump (03:32-11:50) ‘Political masculinities’ and recent elections across Europe (11:50-19:38) Categorising policy approaches to gender equality and men in Europe (19:38-24:51) ‘Violence regimes’ and interconnections between men’s violences (24:51-30:02) Break (30:02-30:08) Reflecting on Jeff’s career and the history of critical studies on men and masculinities (30:08-40:11) Focusing on men’s practices and ‘the hegemony of men’ (40:11-44:13) The Older Men’s Memory Work Group (44:13-50:43) Ageing and masculinity (50:43-52:38) Conclusion (Tap Social in Oxford; 'Strong' vs collective leadership; Older men and power; Violence against women and the 'Nordic paradox'; Ecological violence; Coercive control) (52:38-59:58) More info: ‘Trump v Biden: A duel of contrasting masculinities’ (2020) https://theconversation.com/trump-v-biden-a-duel-of-contrasting-masculinities-148300 ‘Evaluating the concept of political masculinity/ies: A simple idea or a case of too many ideas?’ (2024): https://doi.org/10.1332/25151088Y2023D000000021 ‘European Perspectives on Men and Masculinities: National and Transnational Approaches’ (2006): https://doi.org/10.1057/9780230626447 ‘Violence regimes: A useful concept for social politics, social analysis, and social theory’ (2022) https://doi.org/10.1007/s11186-022-09474-4 ‘The Violences of Men’ (1998): https://doi.org/10.4135/9781446279069 ‘From Hegemonic Masculinity to the Hegemony of Men’ (2004): https://doi.org/10.1177/1464700104040813 ‘Men’s Stories for a Change: Ageing Men Remember’ (2016): https://doi.org/10.18848/978-1-61229-860-3/CGP ‘Routledge Handbook on Men, Masculinities and Organizations’ (2023): https://doi.org/10.4324/9781003193579 James Messerschmidt: https://usm.maine.edu/directories/people/james-w-messerschmidt/ Niels Spierlings: https://www.ru.nl/en/people/spierings-c Raewyn Connell – ‘Masculinities’: http://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.html Kopano Ratele: https://www0.sun.ac.za/psychology/staff/academic-staff/prof-kopano-ratele/ ’Men’s Stories for a Change: Ageing Men Remember’ (2016): https://doi.org/10.18848/978-1-61229-860-3/CGP Frigga Haug: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigga_Haug Collective Memory-Work: http://collectivememorywork.net Tap Social: https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/14/oxford-brewery-helps-cut-reoffending-rates-by-training-jail-leavers-to-make-ale ‘The Myth of the Strong Leader’ (2014): https://www.penguin.com.au/books/the-myth-of-the-strong-leader-9781448156986…
Why should we all be concerned by the content, production and dissemination of pornography today? What is the impact of the normalisation of porn culture on boys and young men? How can we help them to reject harmful and inequitable sexual behaviours and attitudes, live up to the values they hold, and build healthy, mutualistic relationships? In this episode, youth advocate and educator Daniel Principe talks frankly about what led him to speak out about pornography, and how he came to engage with boys and young men on these issues. He describes his innovative approach in schools and colleges across Australia, and talks movingly about the positive and thoughtful responses of the boys and young men he encounters. He emphasises the need to support boys through adolescence, to help them to critique the unequal culture they are growing up in, and to champion their fundamental decency and courage. In Australia, Daniel is a member of the DART Institute (Domestic Abuse Resource and Training Group), an Ambassador for the Women’s Resilience Centre, and an Ambassador for the national campaign Consent Can’t Wait. Find out more about Daniel’s work: https://www.danielprincipe.com.au Follow him on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lastoftheromans/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-principe-8b7556ab/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mrdanielprincipe Episode timeline: Intro (00:00-01:32) What led Daniel to start questioning pornography (01:32-06:01) How and why pornography has become so pervasive (06:01-12:53) Problems with the content of mainstream porn (12:53-18:39) Its impacts on men and boys (18:39-24:24) Damaging consequences for male sexuality (24:24-29:15) Break (29:15-29:21) Daniel’s work with boys and young men (29:21-39:18) What we can do about porn culture, personally and politically (39:18-51:52) Conclusion (Tensions between challenging and supporting boys; The need for structural change; The narrow, conservative, big business nature of porn; Profiting from cycles of shame; Boys’ capacity to critique; How porn constructs masculinity; Perpetuating the male gaze and the centring of men’s pleasure; ‘The end of masculinity’?) (51:52-59:59) More info: Read Daniel’s piece for SBS Insight: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/article/porn-taught-me-to-disrespect-women-from-when-i-was-11-now-i-try-to-tell-kids-whats-real/vbk4p7ggx Australian Government ‘Consent Can’t Wait’ campaign: https://www.consent.gov.au Australian eSafety Commissioner report, ‘Being a young man online’ (2024): https://www.esafety.gov.au/research/being-a-young-man-online Australian Institute of Family Studies report, ‘The effects of pornography on children and young people’ (2017): https://aifs.gov.au/research/research-snapshots/effects-pornography-children-and-young-people Our Watch report, ‘Pornography, young people and preventing violence against women’ (2020): https://www.ourwatch.org.au/pornography-young-people-and-preventing-violence-against-women Australian National Plan to End Violence against Women and Children 2022-2032: https://www.dss.gov.au/ending-violence ‘The Man Box 2024’ report: https://jss.org.au/programs/research/the-man-box/ BBC Scotland survey of young British men: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51967295 Prof Michael Flood: https://www.qut.edu.au/about/our-people/academic-profiles/m.flood Dr Maree Crabbe: https://itstimewetalked.com/about-us/our-people/ Prof Michael Salter: https://research.unsw.edu.au/people/professor-michael-alan-salter Dr Fiona Vera-Gray’s new book, ‘Women on Porn’: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/454201/women-on-porn-by-vera-gray-dr-fiona/9781911709435 Her research on the content of mainstream online porn: https://doi.org/10.1093/bjc/azab035 Robert Jensen, ‘Getting Off’: https://robertwjensen.org/books/getting-off/…
Across the globe, men tend to have a lower life expectancy than women. Although there are still significant challenges facing women’s health, on issues ranging from cancer to suicide, men are faring badly. However, a closer look reveals that this picture varies significantly across different groups of men. Why is that? What role does masculinity play in shaping health inequities among men, and their experience of illnesses like prostate cancer? For Men’s Health Week 2024, we speak to Professor Derek Griffith about why an intersectional approach, which addresses issues such as economic inequality and structural racism, is vital to engaging with men and boys about their health and wellbeing. Derek is a Founding Co-Director of the Racial Justice Institute and Founder and Director of the Center for Men’s Health Equity at Georgetown University (Washginton, DC, United States), where he is a Professor of Health Management and Policy and Oncology. He also serves as the Chair of Global Action on Men’s Health, a global men’s health advocacy organisation. Find out more about Derek’s work: https://gufaculty360.georgetown.edu/s/contact/0031Q00002J74ovQAB/derek-griffith Follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrDMGriffith Follow him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/derekmgriffith/ Global Action on Men’s Health: https://gamh.org Center for Men’s Health Equity, Georgetown University: https://cmhe.georgetown.edu Episode timeline: Intro (00:00-01:28) Men’s Health Week and why it matters (01:28-02:34) Why an intersectional understanding of men’s wellbeing is needed (02:34-04:45) How health inequities manifest themselves in the US (04:45-06:01) The consequences of structural racism (06:01-09:35) The influence of masculinity on different groups of men (09:35-12:27) Understanding Black American manhood (12:27-15:10) Risk-taking (15:10-16:34) Men’s poor take-up of health services (16:34-19:52) Making healthcare more accessible (19:52-22:53) The costs of healthcare in the US (22:53-26:00) Break (26:00-26:07) Lack of discussion of men’s mental health in global policies (26:07-28:03) Men’s vulnerability and looking beyond individual explanations (28:03-30:13) What policy changes are needed (30:13-32:07) Masculinity and prostate cancer (32:07-40:10) Other forms of cancer experienced by men (40:10-42:09) Discomfort among male doctors (42:09-43:43) How we can engage with marginalised men and boys about their wellbeing (43:43-48:05) Fatherhood and (self)care (48:05-51:56) Conclusion (The structural dynamics of masculinity; The role of social class; ‘Dying of whiteness’; Relationships and women’s positive impact; Prostate cancer) (51:56-59:34) More info: Syndemics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndemic Tony Coles - ‘mosaic masculinity’: https://doi.org/10.1177/1440783308092882 Tony Whitehead - Jamaican and African-American men, reputation and respectability: https://doi.org/10.1542/peds.93.6.1050 Steve Robertson - the ‘don’t care, should care’ dichotomy: https://doi.org/10.1177/1363459306061787 Roland Thorpe - the cost of men’s health inequities: https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2014/health-disparities-among-us-african-american-and-hispanic-men-cost-economy-more-than-450-billion-over-four-years Jonathan Metzl - ‘dying of whiteness’: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/jonathan-m-metzl/dying-of-whiteness/9781541644960/?lens=basic-books Global Action on Men's Health reports on cancer: https://gamh.org/cancer-charter/ And mental health: https://gamh.org/absent-minded/…
Why do most men in politics avoid describing themselves and their politics as ‘feminist’? If they do support gender equality, why do they prefer instead to be called allies, advocates or supporters? What does this mean in practice for what men politicians do to promote women’s rights, and address harmful masculine norms? How are they seen by feminist activists, women politicians and young people? These are vital issues given the power men in politics have to drive (or obstruct) change towards gender equality and preventing violence against women. They are discussed in a report by Dr Ján Michalko for ODI , a global affairs think tank, drawing on case studies by research teams in Colombia, Liberia and Malaysia. We talk to Ján about the findings from the research, its implications for politicians, international donors, civil society and researchers on how to engage with men in positions of power, and what such men can do to promote the transformation of unequal gender norms, in politics and in wider society. Ján is a Research Fellow in Gender Equality and Social Inclusion at ODI. His research interests are in gender inequalities, political engagement, masculinities, feminist foreign policy, and youth. His work includes supporting the digital ALiGN platform at ODI, which brings together global gender norms research and lessons for transformative change: https://www.alignplatform.org Follow Ján on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ján-michalko-phd-54719251 Twitter: https://x.com/MichalkoJan Follow ALiGN on Twitter: https://x.com/ALIGN_Gender ODI website: https://odi.org/en/ Read the full research series, including the cross-country analysis and in-depth country reports: https://www.alignplatform.org/research-series-men-politics-agents-gender-equitable-change Episode timeline: Intro (00:00-02:20) Why ALiGN wanted to research men in politics (02:20-05:35) The political context in Colombia, Liberia & Malaysia (05:35-08:53) Challenges of comparing across contexts (08:53-10:35) Interviewing men in politics (10:35-14:02) The reluctance of men politicians to take on the label ‘feminist’ (14:02-17:19) Actions speak louder than words (17:19-18:54) The risk of falls from grace (18:54-19:53) Factors shaping men politicians' engagement with gender equality (19:53-23:59) Differences across political parties (23:59-26:23) The electoral cycle (26:23-28:40) Break (28:40-28:46) Focus groups with students & activists about their views on men politicians (28:46-32:44) Anti-feminist backlash (32:44-35:55) Barriers & enablers to progress for gender equality politics (35:55-38:15) What actions men in politics can take (38:15-40:17) The influence they have on wider society (40:17-42:08) Their reluctance to reflect on masculinity (42:08-46:29) Ján’s own story of how he got involved in this work (46:29-51:20) Conclusion (Interactions with MPs Tony Benn & Peter Jackson; Men politicians’ motivations for supporting women’s rights over time; Pushes for the Australian govt to address violence against women; The impact women have on men; The risk of the political discourse moving backwards) (51:20-59:18) Explainers: George Weah ‘Declares himself 'Liberia's Feminist-In-Chief' - https://www.sheroesforum.com/d/5/38/982/Pres.-Weah-Declares-Himself-'Liberia's-Feminist-In-Chief';-Recommits-To-Women's-Cause ‘Will Gustavo Petro live up to his promises to Colombia’s women?’: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/21/will-gustavo-petro-live-up-to-his-promises-to-colombias-women Malaysia’s former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Datuk Seri Saifuddin Abdullah, called for a feminist foreign policy in 2020: https://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnists/2022/09/827413/feminist-foreign-policy-about-inclusiveness-decision-making Ellen Johnson Sirleaf (former president of Liberia): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Johnson_Sirleaf Rainbow Murray & Elin Bjarnegård, ‘Bringing men & masculinities into political science’ - https://doi.org/10.1332/251510823X16920325768482…
Dr Ken Harland has been involved in youth work practice and research with boys and young men in Northern Ireland for the past 35 years. During that time, he has witnessed a transition from a culture in which violence and conflict was normalised, to one of peace-building and hope. But how were ‘The Troubles’ shaped by gender inequality? What impact did and does the conflict have on young men growing up, and on ideas of masculinity? How is it possible to reach disadvantaged boys and young men and help them find their voice in this context? And are there lessons for elsewhere from the political transformation of Northern Ireland towards peace? After being a community youth worker for 17 years, in 1996 Ken joined Ulster University and was co-founder and co-director of the ‘Centre for Young Men’s Studies’ there from 2005-2016. Since then he’s worked independently as a consultant, trainer, lecturer and researcher in youth and youth-related issues, and also works part-time as a Research Fellow and Consultant with Ulster University's longitudinal research initiative ‘Taking Boys Seriously’. In this episode, Ken talks movingly about his personal story, linking his early work experiences in the shipyards, to finding his passion in education, his relationship with his dad, and being a grandparent. Follow Ken on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ken-harland-26b237b5/ Read more of his research: https://pure.ulster.ac.uk/en/persons/ken-harland Check out his book, ‘Boys, Young Men and Violence: Masculinities, Education and Practice’ (2015): https://link.springer.com/book/10.1057/9781137297358 and recent journal articles... ‘Taking Boys Seriously: A participatory action research initiative demonstrating the transformative potential of relational education’ (2024): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01425692.2024.2315121 ‘Embedding masculinities within a gender conscious relational pedagogy to transform education with boys experiencing compounded educational disadvantage’ (2024): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14681366.2024.2301726 We cover the following topics: Ken’s experience of living through The Troubles (01:14-05:22) The place of gender in conversations about transition away from conflict (05:22-08:45) How men were expected to be ‘defenders’ and ‘protectors’ (08:45-11:52) The dominance of the ‘cult of the hardman’ (11:52-15:34) Similarities and differences in masculine pressures in different contexts (15:34-18:36) The impact of the police and army as well as paramilitary organisations (18:36-20:17) Hopes for a better future despite the challenges (20:17-25:07) The experiences of women during The Troubles (25:07-26:59) What led Ken to work on masculinity issues (26:59-35:30) The establishment of the Centre for Young Men’s Studies in Belfast (35:30-40:59) Making sense of how masculinity influences young men's (and our own) lives (40:59-46:46) Taking Boys Seriously: The need for gender conscious relational pedagogy (46:46-48:33) Practical lessons from Ken’s work with boys (48:33-53:04) Conclusion: Moving away from a culture of violence; Challenging the notion that boys don’t talk; Social change in Northern Ireland, including around Brexit and abortion; Connections with previous episodes, including #39 with Dr Jocelyn Smith Lee on gun violence in the US (53:04-01:00:45) Further info: About ‘The Troubles’ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles ‘Tartan army: how Belfast gang culture morphed into paramilitarism’ (Irish Times) - https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/tartan-army-how-belfast-gang-culture-morphed-into-paramilitarism-1.2737322 ‘Belfast has more peace walls now than 25 years ago – removing them will be a complex challenge’ (The Conversation) - https://theconversation.com/belfast-has-more-peace-walls-now-than-25-years-ago-removing-them-will-be-a-complex-challenge-203975 Northern Ireland Executive Office draft Strategic Framework to End Violence Against Women and Girls - https://www.executiveoffice-ni.gov.uk/topics/ending-violence-against-women-and-girls…
The heavy toll of gun violence in the United States is having traumatising impacts on innumerable Black men and boys, many of whom will know one or more family members or friends who have died as a result. Yet there is widespread reluctance to consider the idea of vulnerability and victimisation among these young survivors. In this episode, we hear from Dr Jocelyn Smith Lee , who has herself experienced personal loss from the violence, about her work in the cities of Greensboro and Baltimore to challenge dehumanising narratives of Black men and boys and ensure that their voices and experiences are central to efforts to tackle the violence. We also learn about community initiatives helping these men and boys and their families heal from trauma and loss. Jocelyn is an Assistant Professor of Human Development and Family Studies at the University of North Carolina, Greensboro. She is also the founder and director of the Centering Black Voices research lab, and the founder and project lead for the visual storytelling campaign ‘In All Ways Human’, which was originally funded by a Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Grand Challenge Award. Find out more about Jocelyn’s research: https://www.uncg.edu/employees/jocelyn-smith-lee/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jocelyn-r-smith-lee-ph-d-577b6015/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrJocelynSmith In All Ways Human campaign: https://inallwayshuman.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/inallwayshuman Twitter: https://twitter.com/InAllWaysHuman Centering Black Voices research lab: https://centeringblackvoices.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/CenterBLKVoices Topics we cover: The prevalence of gun violence in the US and its unequal impacts (01:12-04:26) The social contexts for Jocelyn’s research in Baltimore, MD and Greensboro, NC (04:26-08:47) The impacts of trauma and loss from gun violence on Black men and boys (08:47-14:57) (Limited) possibilities for turning points and perceived life expectancy (14:57-19:38) Why we are so reluctant to talk about vulnerability and victimisation among Black men (19:38-22:19) The ‘In All Ways Human’ campaign that Jocelyn has created (22:19-28:30) Telling a different, positive story, through the life-course (28:30-30:49) The effects that police violence has on Black men and boys and their families (30:49-37:08) Services which play a more positive role in their lives (37:08-42:02) How we can help Black men and boys to heal from this trauma and loss (42:02-46:29) The impacts of the violence on women and girls (46:29-48:50) The disproportionate responsibility placed on Black women (48:50-50:22) The recent reduction in homicides in Baltimore, and achieving political change (50:22-55:05) Conclusion (55:05-01:01:14), including: The shocking scale of the homicides, from a young age; How masculine norms can obstruct men from talking about fear and grief; Links with episode 38 with Nate Eisenstadt on non-punitive approaches; The power of Jocelyn's message of hope. More info: The killing of Freddie Gray after his arrest by Baltimore Police Department (The Guardian): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/freddie-gray-death-haunts-man-filmed-video-baltimore 'Baltimore celebrates historic 20% drop in homicides even as gun violence remains high’ (Associated Press): https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-homicides-decrease-2023-d88000d65d3916d1fbbe6352becd8881 ‘How Baltimore invented neighborhood segregation’ (Vox): https://www.vox.com/2015/5/10/8578077/baltimore-segregation-pietila…
What is 'discomfort', and how can we engage effectively with men when they display it in conversations about masculinity, gender equality and violence? How can connecting with discomfort help to change harmful attitudes and behaviours? What are the risks and challenges in embracing discomfort, and how can they be dealt with? These issues are at the core of our discussion with Dr Nate Eisenstadt, drawing on his extensive experience of facilitating and researching bystander intervention and domestic violence perpetrator programmes in the UK. We also explore the training room as a microcosm of wider society, and how discomfort and fear are often weaponised by public figures to promote damaging, polarising responses to complex real-world problems. Drawing on his earlier research on contemporary anarchist practices, Nate reflects on the challenges and potential of community-based transformative (as opposed to punitive) approaches to ending gender-based violence. Nate is a Senior Research Associate at the University of Bristol in the UK, in their Medical School’s Domestic Violence and Health Group, and the Co-Director of Kindling Interventions, which delivers bystander leadership programmes for violence prevention, equality and diversity. Find out more about Nate’s research: https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/en/persons/nathan-eisenstadt LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/nathan-eisenstadt/ Kindling Interventions: https://kindling-interventions.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/KindlingInterv LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/kindling-interventions/ We cover the following topics: The 'bystander leadership' training that Nate is delivering (01:31-05:16) Why he and Dr Rachel Fenton set up Kindling Interventions (05:16-09:03) Advantages and challenges with the bystander intervention approach (09:03-16:27) Different ways in which 'discomfort' can surface in this work (16:27-22:39) How to respond to discomfort when engaging with men and boys (22:39-30:57) The role of skilled facilitation (30:57-33:39) Facilitators’ own experiences of discomfort (33:39-37:24) How discomfort links to the backlash against feminism in wider society (37:24-42:46) Vital ingredients for impactful work with men who've perpetrated abuse (42:46-48:55) How this research links with Nate’s work on anarchist and anti-oppressive organising (48:55-52:06) Key tenets of anarchism and links with community accountability (52:06-53:58) Conclusion (53:58-59:54): Overlaps with Jens van Tricht's episode; the value of uncomfortable conversations; shifts in work with men who've used violence; the resonance of Nate's work with wider political polarisation; and anarchism and mutual aid. Further reading: The Intervention Initiative: https://law.exeter.ac.uk/research/interventioninitiative/ Rachel Fenton, Helen Mott et al. (2016) A review of evidence for bystander intervention to prevent sexual and domestic violence in universities (Public Health England): https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a802686ed915d74e622cc3b/Evidence_review_bystander_intervention_to_prevent_sexual_and_domestic_violence_in_universities_11April2016.pdf Kelly Shaver (1970) Defensive attribution theory: https://doi.org/10.1037/h0028777 Jonas Kaplan et al. (2016) Neural correlates of maintaining one's political beliefs in the face of counterevidence: https://doi.org/10.1038/srep39589 Marshall B Rosenberg - Nonviolent communication: https://nonviolentcommunication.com…
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