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I was a Teenage Fundamentalist. An Exvangelical podcast.
I was a Teenage Fundamentalist. An Exvangelical podcast.
Brian McDowell & Troy Waller

Brian and Troy used to be loyal Christian megachurch leaders. They’re not anymore. This podcast explores life after fundamentalism. https://linktr.ee/iwatf

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Episodes

101 - What About God of the Mind? with Rob Haskell

Rob Haskell was born to missionary parents, spending his childhood in Argentina. He later attended Bible College and seminary before... more

07 Jun 2024 · 1 hour, 29 minutes
100 - What About Life After Church? with Brian & Troy (Our Stories Part 32)

Here it is! The 100th episode! Brian and Troy continue with their own deconstruction stories and share what life was... more

24 May 2024 · 1 hour, 16 minutes
099 - What about Secular Buddhism? with Ted Meissner

If there's one religious sounding label that Troy is willing to wear, it's 'Buddhist'. In this episode we speak with... more

10 May 2024 · 57 minutes
098 - What About Progressive Judaism? with Michel Laloum

In this episode, we explore Progressive/Reformed Judaism with Michel Laloum, Cantor at Temple Beth Israel Synagogue in Melbourne, Australia. He... more

26 Apr 2024 · 1 hour, 5 minutes
097 - What about Progressive Christianity? with Tim Costello

Tim Costello is an Australian social justice advocate, community leader, and a prominent figure in the Christian faith, albeit a... more

12 Apr 2024 · 1 hour, 4 minutes
096 - What About Near-Death Experiences? with Dr Eben Alexander

In this episode, we talk with Dr Eben Alexander, an American neurosurgeon and author. In 2008, he suffered a coma... more

29 Mar 2024 · 1 hour, 10 minutes
Bonus: Sexvangelicals - The Sex Ed We Wish We Had: Consent, Part 1 of 2,

We recently stumbled upon a podcast we thought you'd love. Sexvangelicals is a sexual health podcast and education platform with... more

19 Mar 2024 · 51 minutes
095 - What About Progressive Islam? with Ani Zonneveld

We talk with Ani Zonneveld about Progressive Islam and the life she lives as a Progressive Muslim. Ani is a... more

15 Mar 2024 · 1 hour, 16 minutes
094 - What About Certainty? with Bernard Warnick

In this episode, we talk with writer Bernard Warnick about humanity's obsession with certainty and ask, is certainty attainable? Bernard... more

01 Mar 2024 · 58 minutes
093 -What About the Podcast?

We're back for Season 5! In this episode we review the highlights of Season 4, let you know about the... more

17 Feb 2024 · 51 minutes
Trailer: I was a Teenage Fundamentalist. Season 5

Brian and Troy used to be loyal Christian megachurch leaders. They’re not anymore. This new season explores life after Fundamentalism. Shortlisted... more

09 Feb 2024 · 1 minute
092 - Hitchhiking with Drunken Nuns with Emily John Garces

Emily John Garcés is an artist, poet, ex-missionary with YWAM, all-round creative enthusiast, and author of the memoir, Hitchhiking with... more

26 Jan 2024 · 1 hour, 24 minutes
091 - Sin Bravely with Maggie Rowe

Maggie Rowe is an author, writer, director, & producer. Her memoir, Sin Bravely: A Memoir of Spiritual Disobedience, was named... more

19 Jan 2024 · 1 hour, 2 minutes
090 - Qanon and On with Van Badham

Van Badham is an Australian playwright, novelist, journalist and activist who writes regularly for the Guardian. In this episode we... more

12 Jan 2024 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
089 - Divorcing Religion with Janice Selbie

We talk with Janice Selbie, a former fundamentalist Evangelical Christian of over 40 years and now a counsellor and specialist... more

13 Oct 2023 · 58 minutes
088 - I was a Teenage Christian Nationalist with April Ajoy

We talk with April Ajoy, a well-known viral TikToker, YouTuber and podcaster. She describes herself as a “recovering conservative, humorously... more

29 Sep 2023 · 1 hour, 16 minutes
087 - God Hates Divorce

Brian & Troy take a look at how divorce is presented in the New Testament and how the Church has... more

15 Sep 2023 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
086 - I was a Teenage Preacher But Now I’m an Atheist with Dan Barker

Dan Barker served as an evangelical Christian preacher and composer for 19 years before leaving Christianity in 1984. He and... more

01 Sep 2023 · 1 hour, 15 minutes
084 - God is a Narcissist with Catherine Quiring

Catherine Quiring describes herself as a reformed people-pleaser, Exvangelical and an aspiring advocate for anti-oppressive spirituality. She is a licensed... more

18 Aug 2023 · 1 hour, 1 minute
083 - Troy Deals with his Religious Trauma in Singapore (Our Stories Part 31)

Picking up where he left off in Episode 79 - Troy Deals With His Religious Trauma in Korea, Troy journeys... more

03 Aug 2023 · 1 hour, 13 minutes
082 - Cult Hacking with Stephen Mather

After Troy and Brian appeared on Stephen's podcast, Cult Hackers back in 2021, Stephen now brings his expertise to talk... more

20 Jul 2023 · 1 hour, 18 minutes
081 - I was a Published Christian Author with D.L. and Krispin Mayfield

Krispin and D.L. Mayfield are a husband-and-wife team and hosts of the Prophetic Imagination Station. Both were missionaries and published... more

06 Jul 2023 · 1 hour, 25 minutes
080 - Marc Fennell Wasn’t a Very Good Teenage Fundamentalist (Leaving Part 18)

Marc Fennell is an award-winning Australian journalist and documentary maker who was once a teenage fundamentalist...but he claims he was... more

22 Jun 2023 · 1 hour, 18 minutes
079 - Troy Deals with His Religious Trauma in Korea (Our Stories Part 30)

Picking up where he left off in Episode 64 - Troy Story II, Troy left the Church & his Christian... more

08 Jun 2023 · 1 hour, 11 minutes
078 - Oh No, Ross & Carrie Were Teenage Fundamentalists

Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy have a hugely popular podcast where they join religions, undergo alternative medical treatments, and hunt... more

25 May 2023 · 1 hour, 26 minutes
Trailer: I was a Teenage Fundamentalist. An Exvangelical Podcast.

Brian and Troy used to be loyal Christian megachurch leaders. They’re not anymore. This honest and often hilarious podcast peeks... more

11 May 2023 ·
077 - I Blew the Whistle on my Dad’s Church with Kit Kennedy (Leaving Part 17)

Clare Heath-McIvor is an exvangelical blogger and podcaster who has been operating under the pseudonym 'Kit Kennedy' since a dramatic... more

11 May 2023 · 1 hour, 13 minutes
076 - Keith Green Arranged My Teenage Marriage (Keith Green Part 2)

Following on from Episode 072 Was Keith Green a Cult Leader?, we interview Sharon Madere. She was 'led to the... more

27 Apr 2023 · 1 hour, 27 minutes
075 - Brian Walks Away from his Marriage...and Jesus (Our Stories Part 29)

Following on from Episode 53 - The Cairns Christ, Brian recounts the breakdown of his marriage and the end of... more

13 Apr 2023 · 1 hour, 1 minute
074 - Armageddon Isn’t Coming with Bart Ehrman

No one had as profound an impact on Troy's deconstruction as Dr Bart D. Ehrman, the James A. Gray Distinguished... more

30 Mar 2023 · 1 hour, 23 minutes
073 - I was a Pentecostal Theologian with Shane Clifton (Progressive Christians Part 5)

Shane Clifton taught Theology and Ethics at one of Australia's leading Pentecostal Bible Colleges from 1999 to 2018. During this... more

16 Mar 2023 · 1 hour, 9 minutes
072 - Was Keith Green a Cult Leader? (Keith Green Part 1)

Keith Green was one of CCM’s most revered and loved music superstars of the 1970s and 80s. Spoiler alert! Tracey... more

02 Mar 2023 · 1 hour, 20 minutes
071 - Fear of Hell (The Afterlife Part 2)

In this first episode of Season 4, Brian & Troy unpack some of the most problematic and ridiculous aspects of... more

16 Feb 2023 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
070 - Falling Out with a Teenage Fundamentalist

Elgen Strait is the host of Falling Out, a podcast about and for people who grew-up in, and later left,... more

25 Dec 2022 · 1 hour, 49 minutes
069 - Season 3 Q&R Finale

This is it, the end of Season 3! Troy & Brian reflect on 2022 and some of the milestone episodes... more

08 Dec 2022 · 1 hour, 24 minutes
068 - The Graceful Atheist (Leaving Part 16)

David Ames is an American secular humanist who hosts a podcast promoting the idea of 'secular grace' after deconstruction and... more

24 Nov 2022 · 59 minutes
067 - Cheers to Leaving with Molly & Rachael (Leaving Part 15)

This is a special crossover episode with Molly & Rachael of the Cheers to Leaving Podcast. They are both children... more

17 Nov 2022 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
066 - Protesting Christian Hierarchies with Dave Andrews (Progressive Christians Part 4)

When journeying through the Progressive Christian scene, Brian was deeply impacted and influenced by Chrisitan Anarchist, Dave Andrews. Dave is... more

10 Nov 2022 · 1 hour, 2 minutes
065 - Heaven Bent Season 3 with Tara Jean Stevens

Tara Jean is the creator and host of one of Troy and Brian's favourite podcasts, Heaven Bent. She has just released... more

27 Oct 2022 · 59 minutes
064 - Troy Story II: Leaving My Marriage...and Church (Our Stories Part 28)

Following on from our previous episode, Troy Story, Troy recounts leaving his Christian marriage and his final exit from Church... more

13 Oct 2022 · 1 hour, 20 minutes
063 - Troy Story: I was an Urban Missionary (Our Stories Part 27)

In this episode, Troy continues to recount his journey away from Pentecostalism. He remembers packing up his church-plant and joining... more

29 Sep 2022 · 1 hour, 7 minutes
062 - Gay at Great Big AOG with Andrew (Leaving Part 14)

In this episode, Brian & Troy catch up with Andrew, a fellow traveller from their time at Great Big AOG.... more

15 Sep 2022 · 1 hour, 10 minutes
061 - I was a Female Fundamentalist with Bree (Leaving Part 13)

Bree was born into Pentecostalism. She claims to have filled her Christian Bingo card by doing most things a good... more

01 Sep 2022 · 1 hour, 7 minutes
060 -Theological Jenga Part 1 with Clint Heacock (Leaving Part 12)

This is a special crossover episode with Dr Clint Heacock of the Mindshift Podcast. Clint was a teenage fundamentalist, pastor,... more

18 Aug 2022 · 58 minutes
059 - Spiritual Warfare (The Devil & Demons Part 2)

Brian & Troy do a deeper dive into the ideas of Spiritual Warfare. This is the Pentecostal and Charismatic Christian... more

04 Aug 2022 · 58 minutes
058 - Do I Stay Christian? with Brian McLaren (Progressive Christians Part 3; Leaving Part 11)

Brian McLaren was a Charismatic Evangelical pastor for twenty-four years. Now he's an author, activist, public theologian, and arguably the... more

21 Jul 2022 · 1 hour, 7 minutes
057 - Troy Busts a Cult (Revival Centres & Revival Fellowship) (Our Stories Part 26)

Troy recounts how his desire to find out about the history of the Revival Centres/ Revival Fellowship and the evolution... more

07 Jul 2022 · 1 hour, 1 minute
056 - Tom Tilley Doesn’t Speak in Tongues Anymore (Leaving Part 10)

Well-known Australian journalist Tom Tilley has interviewed some of the most influential people in the world. What was not so... more

23 Jun 2022 · 1 hour, 26 minutes
055 - IndoctriNation with Rachel Bernstein (Leaving Part 9)

Brian and Troy talk with Rachel Bernstein, a licensed therapist who specialises in cult intervention and re-acclimation. She is the... more

09 Jun 2022 · 43 minutes
054 - Deconstruction with Phil Drysdale (Leaving Part 8)

Brian and Troy chat with Phil Drysdale about Deconstruction, which he defines as the process of questioning one’s core foundational... more

26 May 2022 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
053 - The Cairns Christ. A Brian Story (Our Stories Part 25)

In this episode, Brian continues to recount his post-Pentecostal journey. He remembers the joys and pains at the start of... more

12 May 2022 · 58 minutes
052 - Recovering from Religion with Dr Darrel Ray (Leaving Part 7)

Dr Ray is an atheist psychologist and author who specialises in the secular treatment of religion-induced trauma. He founded the... more

28 Apr 2022 · 1 hour, 3 minutes
051 - Troy Becomes a Bapticostal Too (Our Stories Part 24)

As Brian did in Episode 45, Troy recounts his short-lived time in the Baptist Union. It was here that he... more

14 Apr 2022 · 49 minutes
050 - Reflections on our Philip Yancey Interview (Progressive Christians Part 2)

In Episode 49, Brian & Troy spoke with best-selling Evangelical author, Philip Yancey. In this episode, they reflect on that... more

07 Apr 2022 · 48 minutes
049 - Philip Yancey was a Teenage Fundamentalist

Brian & Troy talk with best-selling Evangelical author, Philip Yancey about his memoir, 'Where the Light Fell', that chronicles his... more

31 Mar 2022 · 1 hour, 1 minute
048 - Jobs for the Boys! Nepotism in Megachurches (Leadership Part 5)

If there's one thing that characterises megachurches in Australia and around the world, it's nepotism. Brian & Troy cite some... more

24 Mar 2022 · 1 hour, 17 minutes
047 - Houstons, we have a Hillsong problem (Leadership Part 4)

In this special episode, Brian & Troy discuss the recent moral allegations brought against Brian Houston of Hillsong, by the... more

19 Mar 2022 · 39 minutes
046 - Elle Hardy and the Pentecostals Who Want to Take Over the World

Elle Hardy is an accomplished Australian journalist who wrote Beyond Belief: How Pentecostal Christianity is taking over the world. Brian... more

17 Mar 2022 · 53 minutes
045 - Brian Becomes a Bapticostal (Our Stories Part 23)

Brian journeys away from Pentecostalism and fundamentalism to a more moderate Baptist space. He remembers being pulled back into Pentecostalism... more

10 Mar 2022 · 56 minutes
044 - Frank Schaeffer is an Atheist Who Believes in God Part 2

In this second of two episodes, we continue our chat with Frank Schaeffer, author and son of the late theologian... more

03 Mar 2022 · 52 minutes
043 - Frank Schaeffer is an Atheist Who Believes in God Part 1

In this first of two episodes, we talk with Frank Schaeffer, author and son of the late theologian and Evangelical... more

03 Mar 2022 · 53 minutes
042 - Christian Books and Bookstores (Our Stories Part 22)

This first episode for Season 3 comes out swinging as Brian and Troy discuss the Hillsong news that Brian Houston... more

24 Feb 2022 · 1 hour, 2 minutes
041 - Season 2 Finale: Question & Response

In this final episode for Season 2, B&T take questions from podcast listeners and reflect on the podcast so far.   -- Transcript... more

16 Dec 2021 · 1 hour, 20 minutes
040 - What Should I Think About..? They were teenage fundamentalists

In this crossover episode, B&T are interviewed by the co-hosts of the podcast, What Should I Think About..? They are... more

09 Dec 2021 · 1 hour, 7 minutes
039 - Geoff Bullock Leaves Hillsong (Leaving Part 6)

B&T talk with Geoff Bullock, one of the founding pastors of Hills Christian Life Centre, which later became Hillsong. He... more

07 Dec 2021 · 1 hour, 12 minutes
038 - Goodbye Great Big AOG! (Our Stories Part 21)

The time has come...at last! Tune in to hear B&T trigger like MOFOs and tell how they finally left Great... more

02 Dec 2021 · 1 hour, 12 minutes
037 - F**ked Again at Great Big AOG (Our Stories Part 20)

T comes back from Country Town AOG and B has risen in the ranks of the Great Big AOG youth... more

25 Nov 2021 · 58 minutes
036 - I Left Christian City Church aka c3 (Leaving Part 5)

C was in full-time paid ministry at Christian City Church (now known as c3) in the mid to late-90s. In... more

18 Nov 2021 · 1 hour, 9 minutes
035 - F**ked Over at Country Town AOG (Our Stories Part 19)

In this episode, T recounts his time in formal ministry as the youth pastor of Country Town AOG. Spoiler alert:... more

11 Nov 2021 · 51 minutes
034 - Leaving My Father‘s Faith with Bart Campolo 2 (Leaving Part 4)

This is the second half of our time with Bart Campolo, a secular community builder, counsellor and writer who serves... more

04 Nov 2021 · 38 minutes
033 - Leaving My Father‘s Faith with Bart Campolo 1 (Leaving Part 3)

Bart Campolo is a secular community builder, counsellor and writer who serves as the Humanist Chaplain at the University of... more

04 Nov 2021 · 46 minutes
032 - Rejected! (Our Stories Part 18)

In this episode, T goes deeper into a story he told in Episode 26 and shares how he was rejected... more

28 Oct 2021 · 55 minutes
031 - Missionary, Not Just a Position with Anj Barker (Progressive Christians Part 1)

Anji Barker has 30 years experience in neighbourhood based community work in poor urban communities in Australia, Thailand and the... more

21 Oct 2021 · 51 minutes
030 - The [Pentecostal] Good Place (The Afterlife Part 1)

Heaven was the ultimate reward that B&T looked forward to as teenage fundamentalists. In this episode, they look back and... more

14 Oct 2021 · 38 minutes
029 - The Megachurch Exploitation of Volunteers & Money (Leadership Part 3; Our Stories Part 17)

B&T remember all the hours they gave to the church as volunteers and how some in the Church didn't always... more

07 Oct 2021 · 40 minutes
028 - Keep Hillsong Out of Our Schools with Fiona Newton

Fiona Newton, former Teenage Fundamentalist and co-author of the petition to stop Hillsong evangelising in public schools, joins B&T to... more

30 Sep 2021 · 52 minutes
027 - Sexual Predators in Megachurches (Sex Part 3; Our Stories Part 16)

As Pentecostals, both B&T crossed paths with sexual predators in church. This episode recalls those meetings and also some of... more

23 Sep 2021 · 46 minutes
026 - God Told Me to Marry You (Sex Part 2; Our Stories Part 15)

As you might have guessed, dating and marriage within Fundamentalism weren't often egalitarian and were usually controlled by the pastors... more

16 Sep 2021 · 44 minutes
025 - Leaving Christian Fundamentalism with Dr Josie McSkimming (Leaving Part 2)

Dr Josie McSkimming, author of Leaving Christian Fundamentalism and the Reconstruction of Identity, shares her own story as a teenage... more

09 Sep 2021 · 50 minutes
024 - Did You Ever See a Real Healing or Miracle? (Spiritual Gifts Part 3; Our Stories Part 14)

Did B&T ever see a real and verifiable miracle while in the Pentecostal scene? Listen in to find out. -- Transcript of... more

02 Sep 2021 · 31 minutes
023 - Narcissists & Psychopaths in Church (Leadership Part 2; Our Stories Part 13)

B&T discuss the prevalence of narcissists and psychopaths in Pentecostalism and their experiences with these kinds of people. They also... more

26 Aug 2021 · 40 minutes
022 - Toronto Blessing & Heaven Bent with Tara Jean Stevens

Tara Jean Stevens, the host of the amazing Heaven Bent podcast shares her own history as a teenage fundamentalist and... more

19 Aug 2021 · 1 hour,
021 - Christian Contemporary Music (Music Part 2)

We kick-off Season 2 by remembering our favourite CCM artists and a few songs. We invite you to clap along... more

12 Aug 2021 · 54 minutes
020 - Season 1 Q&A

B&T take questions from podcast listeners and reflect on Season 1.   -- Transcript of the episode is here. Podcast links: https://linktr.ee/iwatf  Email: hhandhillsong@gmail.com  Doubting your... more

08 Jul 2021 · 1 hour, 6 minutes
019 - How did you see Jesus as a Pentecostal? (God Part 2)

B&T talk about how they saw the supposed Son of God as Pentecostals, and their 'relationship' with this first-century Jew.   -- Transcript... more

01 Jul 2021 · 29 minutes
018 - How did you see God as a Pentecostal? (God Part 1)

Ultimately, fundamentalist Christianity really centres around God. In this episode, B&T look back on how they saw God as good... more

25 Jun 2021 · 32 minutes
017 - Personal Prophecy (Spiritual Gifts Part 2; Our Stories Part 12)

B&T have ‘a word’ for you as they share their stories around the use of prophecy in their time as... more

18 Jun 2021 · 29 minutes
016 - Speaking in Tongues (Spiritual Gifts Part 1; Our Stories Part 11)

"Take your partner by the hand, speak in tongues and understand."  - Debbie Harry -- Transcript of the episode is here. Podcast links:... more

11 Jun 2021 · 36 minutes
015 - Evangelism & Mission (Our Stories Part 10)

It isn't enough to be a Teenage Fundamentalist yourself, Pentecostals are expected to bring others into the fold. In this... more

04 Jun 2021 · 31 minutes
014 - The Faith Movement/Prosperity Gospel (Our Stories Part 9.1)

B&T remember their time believing the unique claims of the Faith Movement/ prosperity gospel (Spoiler Alert: it didn’t deliver and... more

28 May 2021 · 35 minutes
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Tara Jean Stevens, the host of the amazing Heaven Bent podcast shares her own history as a teenage fundamentalist and some of... more