We talk with Zenith Virago, a highly respected celebrant, educator, public speaker and author and self-proclaimed Deathwalker. She is the... more

We talk with the hosts and producers of the Humanize Me podcast, Bart Campolo and John Wright, about leaving fundamentalist... more

Rob Haskell was born to missionary parents, spending his childhood in Argentina. He later attended Bible College and seminary before... more

Here it is! The 100th episode! Brian and Troy continue with their own deconstruction stories and share what life was... more

If there's one religious sounding label that Troy is willing to wear, it's 'Buddhist'. In this episode we speak with... more

In this episode, we explore Progressive/Reformed Judaism with Michel Laloum, Cantor at Temple Beth Israel Synagogue in Melbourne, Australia. He... more

Tim Costello is an Australian social justice advocate, community leader, and a prominent figure in the Christian faith, albeit a... more

In this episode, we talk with Dr Eben Alexander, an American neurosurgeon and author. In 2008, he suffered a coma... more

We recently stumbled upon a podcast we thought you'd love. Sexvangelicals is a sexual health podcast and education platform with... more

We talk with Ani Zonneveld about Progressive Islam and the life she lives as a Progressive Muslim. Ani is a... more

In this episode, we talk with writer Bernard Warnick about humanity's obsession with certainty and ask, is certainty attainable? Bernard... more

We're back for Season 5! In this episode we review the highlights of Season 4, let you know about the... more

Brian and Troy used to be loyal Christian megachurch leaders. They’re not anymore. This new season explores life after Fundamentalism. Shortlisted... more

Emily John Garcés is an artist, poet, ex-missionary with YWAM, all-round creative enthusiast, and author of the memoir, Hitchhiking with... more

Maggie Rowe is an author, writer, director, & producer. Her memoir, Sin Bravely: A Memoir of Spiritual Disobedience, was named... more

Van Badham is an Australian playwright, novelist, journalist and activist who writes regularly for the Guardian. In this episode we... more

We talk with Janice Selbie, a former fundamentalist Evangelical Christian of over 40 years and now a counsellor and specialist... more

We talk with April Ajoy, a well-known viral TikToker, YouTuber and podcaster. She describes herself as a “recovering conservative, humorously... more

Brian & Troy take a look at how divorce is presented in the New Testament and how the Church has... more

Dan Barker served as an evangelical Christian preacher and composer for 19 years before leaving Christianity in 1984. He and... more

Catherine Quiring describes herself as a reformed people-pleaser, Exvangelical and an aspiring advocate for anti-oppressive spirituality. She is a licensed... more

Picking up where he left off in Episode 79 - Troy Deals With His Religious Trauma in Korea, Troy journeys... more

After Troy and Brian appeared on Stephen's podcast, Cult Hackers back in 2021, Stephen now brings his expertise to talk... more

Krispin and D.L. Mayfield are a husband-and-wife team and hosts of the Prophetic Imagination Station. Both were missionaries and published... more

Marc Fennell is an award-winning Australian journalist and documentary maker who was once a teenage fundamentalist...but he claims he was... more

Picking up where he left off in Episode 64 - Troy Story II, Troy left the Church & his Christian... more

Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy have a hugely popular podcast where they join religions, undergo alternative medical treatments, and hunt... more

Brian and Troy used to be loyal Christian megachurch leaders. They’re not anymore. This honest and often hilarious podcast peeks... more

Clare Heath-McIvor is an exvangelical blogger and podcaster who has been operating under the pseudonym 'Kit Kennedy' since a dramatic... more

Following on from Episode 072 Was Keith Green a Cult Leader?, we interview Sharon Madere. She was 'led to the... more

Following on from Episode 53 - The Cairns Christ, Brian recounts the breakdown of his marriage and the end of... more

No one had as profound an impact on Troy's deconstruction as Dr Bart D. Ehrman, the James A. Gray Distinguished... more

Shane Clifton taught Theology and Ethics at one of Australia's leading Pentecostal Bible Colleges from 1999 to 2018. During this... more

Keith Green was one of CCM’s most revered and loved music superstars of the 1970s and 80s. Spoiler alert! Tracey... more

In this first episode of Season 4, Brian & Troy unpack some of the most problematic and ridiculous aspects of... more

Elgen Strait is the host of Falling Out, a podcast about and for people who grew-up in, and later left,... more

This is it, the end of Season 3! Troy & Brian reflect on 2022 and some of the milestone episodes... more

David Ames is an American secular humanist who hosts a podcast promoting the idea of 'secular grace' after deconstruction and... more

This is a special crossover episode with Molly & Rachael of the Cheers to Leaving Podcast. They are both children... more

When journeying through the Progressive Christian scene, Brian was deeply impacted and influenced by Chrisitan Anarchist, Dave Andrews. Dave is... more

Tara Jean is the creator and host of one of Troy and Brian's favourite podcasts, Heaven Bent. She has just released... more

Following on from our previous episode, Troy Story, Troy recounts leaving his Christian marriage and his final exit from Church... more

In this episode, Troy continues to recount his journey away from Pentecostalism. He remembers packing up his church-plant and joining... more

In this episode, Brian & Troy catch up with Andrew, a fellow traveller from their time at Great Big AOG.... more

Bree was born into Pentecostalism. She claims to have filled her Christian Bingo card by doing most things a good... more

This is a special crossover episode with Dr Clint Heacock of the Mindshift Podcast. Clint was a teenage fundamentalist, pastor,... more

Brian & Troy do a deeper dive into the ideas of Spiritual Warfare. This is the Pentecostal and Charismatic Christian... more

Brian McLaren was a Charismatic Evangelical pastor for twenty-four years. Now he's an author, activist, public theologian, and arguably the... more

Troy recounts how his desire to find out about the history of the Revival Centres/ Revival Fellowship and the evolution... more

Well-known Australian journalist Tom Tilley has interviewed some of the most influential people in the world. What was not so... more

Brian and Troy talk with Rachel Bernstein, a licensed therapist who specialises in cult intervention and re-acclimation. She is the... more

Brian and Troy chat with Phil Drysdale about Deconstruction, which he defines as the process of questioning one’s core foundational... more

In this episode, Brian continues to recount his post-Pentecostal journey. He remembers the joys and pains at the start of... more

Dr Ray is an atheist psychologist and author who specialises in the secular treatment of religion-induced trauma. He founded the... more

As Brian did in Episode 45, Troy recounts his short-lived time in the Baptist Union. It was here that he... more

In Episode 49, Brian & Troy spoke with best-selling Evangelical author, Philip Yancey. In this episode, they reflect on that... more

Brian & Troy talk with best-selling Evangelical author, Philip Yancey about his memoir, 'Where the Light Fell', that chronicles his... more

If there's one thing that characterises megachurches in Australia and around the world, it's nepotism. Brian & Troy cite some... more

In this special episode, Brian & Troy discuss the recent moral allegations brought against Brian Houston of Hillsong, by the... more

Elle Hardy is an accomplished Australian journalist who wrote Beyond Belief: How Pentecostal Christianity is taking over the world. Brian... more

Brian journeys away from Pentecostalism and fundamentalism to a more moderate Baptist space. He remembers being pulled back into Pentecostalism... more

In this second of two episodes, we continue our chat with Frank Schaeffer, author and son of the late theologian... more

In this first of two episodes, we talk with Frank Schaeffer, author and son of the late theologian and Evangelical... more

This first episode for Season 3 comes out swinging as Brian and Troy discuss the Hillsong news that Brian Houston... more

In this final episode for Season 2, B&T take questions from podcast listeners and reflect on the podcast so far.

In this crossover episode, B&T are interviewed by the co-hosts of the podcast, What Should I Think About..? They are... more

B&T talk with Geoff Bullock, one of the founding pastors of Hills Christian Life Centre, which later became Hillsong. He... more

The time has come...at last! Tune in to hear B&T trigger like MOFOs and tell how they finally left Great... more

T comes back from Country Town AOG and B has risen in the ranks of the Great Big AOG youth... more

C was in full-time paid ministry at Christian City Church (now known as c3) in the mid to late-90s. In... more

In this episode, T recounts his time in formal ministry as the youth pastor of Country Town AOG. Spoiler alert:... more

This is the second half of our time with Bart Campolo, a secular community builder, counsellor and writer who serves... more

Bart Campolo is a secular community builder, counsellor and writer who serves as the Humanist Chaplain at the University of... more

In this episode, T goes deeper into a story he told in Episode 26 and shares how he was rejected... more

Anji Barker has 30 years experience in neighbourhood based community work in poor urban communities in Australia, Thailand and the... more

Heaven was the ultimate reward that B&T looked forward to as teenage fundamentalists. In this episode, they look back and... more

B&T remember all the hours they gave to the church as volunteers and how some in the Church didn't always... more

Fiona Newton, former Teenage Fundamentalist and co-author of the petition to stop Hillsong evangelising in public schools, joins B&T to... more

As Pentecostals, both B&T crossed paths with sexual predators in church. This episode recalls those meetings and also some of... more

As you might have guessed, dating and marriage within Fundamentalism weren't often egalitarian and were usually controlled by the pastors... more