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How do you know when it’s time to make your next big career move? With International Women’s Day around the corner, we are excited to feature Avni Patel Thompson, Founder and CEO of Milo. Avni is building technology that directly supports the often overlooked emotional and logistical labor that falls on parents—especially women. Milo is an AI assistant designed to help families manage that invisible load more efficiently. In this episode, Avni shares her journey from studying chemistry to holding leadership roles at global brands like Adidas and Starbucks, to launching her own ventures. She discusses how she approaches career transitions, the importance of unpleasant experiences, and why she’s focused on making everyday life easier for parents. [01:26] Avni's University Days and Early Career [04:36] Non-Linear Career Paths [05:16] Pursuing Steep Learning Curves [11:51] Entrepreneurship and Safety Nets [15:22] Lived Experiences and Milo [19:55] Avni’s In Her Ellement Moment [20:03] Reflections Links: Avni Patel Thompson on LinkedIn Suchi Srinivasan on LinkedIn Kamila Rakhimova on LinkedIn Ipsos report on the future of parenting About In Her Ellement: In Her Ellement highlights the women and allies leading the charge in digital, business, and technology innovation. Through engaging conversations, the podcast explores their journeys—celebrating successes and acknowledging the balance between work and family. Most importantly, it asks: when was the moment you realized you hadn’t just arrived—you were truly in your element? About The Hosts: Suchi Srinivasan is an expert in AI and digital transformation. Originally from India, her career includes roles at trailblazing organizations like Bell Labs and Microsoft. In 2011, she co-founded the Cleanweb Hackathon, a global initiative driving IT-powered climate solutions with over 10,000 members across 25+ countries. She also advises Women in Cloud, aiming to create $1B in economic opportunities for women entrepreneurs by 2030. Kamila Rakhimova is a fintech leader whose journey took her from Tajikistan to the U.S., where she built a career on her own terms. Leveraging her English proficiency and international relations expertise, she discovered the power of microfinance and moved to the U.S., eventually leading Amazon's Alexa Fund to support underrepresented founders. Subscribe to In Her Ellement on your podcast app of choice to hear meaningful conversations with women in digital, business, and technology.…

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Get ready for a deep dive into what cybersecurity professionals often refer to as the "8th Layer" of security: HUMANS. Welcome to 8th Layer Insights (8Li). This podcast is a multidisciplinary exploration into how the complexities of human nature affect security and risk. Author, security researcher, and behavior science enthusiast Perry Carpenter taps experts for their insights and illumination. Topics include cybersecurity, psychology, behavior science, communication, leadership, and more.

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The FAIK Files | Holiday Special: AI Safety Update 40:24

12 weeks ago40:24

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Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of 2024. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense. In our holiday episode, Mason opens a rather unique Christmas present from Perry, we invite a special guest to help explain the infamous "Paperclip Maximizer" thought experiment, and we discuss an interesting (and somewhat disturbing) new AI Safety paper from Apollo Research. Want to leave us a voicemail ? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cThqEnMhJz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** An interesting cluster of new AI safety research papers: Apollo research: Frontier Models are Capable of In-context Scheming (Dec 5, 2024) YouTube Video: Apollo Research - AI Models Are Capable Of In Context Scheming Dec 2024 YouTube Video: Cognitive Revolution - Emergency Pod: o1 Schemes Against Users, with Alexander Meinke from Apollo Research OpenAI o1 System Card (Dec 5, 2024) Anthropic: Alignment Faking in Large Language Models (Dec 18, 2024) Anthropic: Sycophancy to subterfuge: Investigating reward tampering in language models (June 17, 2024) Fudan University: Frontier AI systems have surpassed the self-replicating red line (Dec 9, 2024) Other Interesting Bits: The Paperclip Maximizer thought experiment explanation Theory of Instrumental Convergence iPhone Game: Universal Paperclips VoxEU: AI and the paperclip problem Real Paperclips! 500 Pack Paper Clips (assorted sizes) OpenAI Announces New o3 Reasoning Model: OpenAI's "12 Days of Ship-mas" announcement page YouTube video: OpenAI's announcement of their o3 Model TechCrunch: OpenAI announces new o3 models Wired: OpenAI Upgrades Its Smartest AI Model With Improved Reasoning Skills TechCrunch: OpenAI trained o1 and o3 to ‘think’ about its safety policy Matthew Berman YouTube video: OpenAI Unveils o3! AGI ACHIEVED! NewScientist: OpenAI's o3 model aced a test of AI reasoning – but it's still not AGI Yahoo Finance: OpenAI considers AGI clause removal for Microsoft investment *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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The FAIK Files | The Butcher Will Scam You Now 1:01:23

13 weeks ago1:01:23

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Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense. Warning: today's episode gets a bit dark as we chat with seasoned prosecutor and founder of Operation Shamrock, Erin West, about a devastating combination of attacks known as "Pig Butchering" scams. We go deep into how they work and what we can do about them. Want to leave us a voicemail ? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cThqEnMhJz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** Learn more about Erin West Erin's LinkedIn Profile Operation Shamrock Pig Butchering Scams : CNN Story featuring Erin West: Killed by a scam: A father took his life after losing his savings to international criminal gangs. He’s not the only one CNN Story: Hear how this man lost $1M in a 'pig butchering' crypto scam CNN Story: Myanmar-based gangs force trafficking victims to scam Americans online YouTube video: John Oliver episode FBI Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) Ok, doomer! Let's talk P(doom): NY Times article: Silicon Valley Confronts a Grim New A.I. Metric FastCompany article: P(doom) is AI's latest apocalypse metric. Here's how to calculate your score Wikipedia Entry PauseAI P(doom) records *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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The FAIK Files | AI Gone Wild: Worrisome Leaks, Misguided Conspiracies, and More 54:53

14 weeks ago54:53

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Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to The FAIK Files--- the show about artificial intelligence and natural nonsense! In this week's episode: Mason shares how ChatGPT became an unexpected hero in solving his home networking and studio challenges Perry dives into the mysterious case of "David Mayer" and how a simple ChatGPT privacy patch sparked widespread conspiracy theories We explore Tencent's bold entry into AI video generation with their open-source HunyuanVideo model And in our AI Dumpster Fire of the Week, we unpack the drama surrounding leaks of multiple models from OpenAI Want to leave us a voicemail ? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cThqEnMhJz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** The ChatGPT Privacy Patch Conspiracy: TechCrunch: Why does the name 'David Mayer' crash ChatGPT? OpenAI says privacy tool went rogue FastCompany: The Internet is Freaking Out Because ChatGPT Won't Say the Name "David Mayer" USA Today: Why won't ChatGPT acknowledge the name David Mayer? Internet users uncover mystery YouTube: Solved: Why ChatGPT Will Not Say "David Mayer" The Decoder: New York Times writer exposes how AI models can be fooled by invisible text on websites NYT: How Do You Change a Chatbot's Mind? Tencent's HunyuanVideo Release: The Decoder: Tencent introduces open source video generator HunyuanVideo and challenges Sora TechNode: Tencent launches and open-sources Hunyuan video-generation model YouTube: New AI Video Model Storms Onto The Scene! HuggingFace: HunyuanVideo Official Model Page Research paper about text based sound generation for videos. SonicVisionLM: Playing Sound with Vision Language Models AI Dumpster Fire of the Week (The Sora Leak): TechCrunch: OpenAI's Sora video generator appears to have leaked Washington Post: OpenAI hits pause on video model Sora after artists leak access in protest Tom's Guide: OpenAI's o1 model leaked on Friday and it is wild — here's what happened Leopold Aschenbrenner: SITUATIONAL AWARENESS: The Decade Ahead Additional Sora leak from internal preview *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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The FAIK Files | A Hunch about Hutch 53:36

15 weeks ago53:36

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Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to The FAIK Files— the show about artificial intelligence and natural nonsense! In this week’s episode: Mason has an update on last week's shocking story of Google Gemini’s alleged threats against a user. Is this a glitch, a hack, or something more sinister? We sit down with cybersecurity expert Justin “Hutch” Hutchins (author of The Language of Deception ) to dive into his experience weaponizing large language models and what it means for the future of AI. And finally, we lighten things up with some fun AI music experiments, showing that Perry & Mason may have too much time on their hands, Want to leave us a voicemail ? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cThqEnMhJz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** Hutch's stuff: Justin's Book: The Language of Deception: Weaponizing Next Generation AI AI podcast: The Frontier Today ( Apple Podcasts ) ( Spotify ) Justin and Len Noe’s podcast: Cyber Cognition ( Apple Podcasts ) ( Spotify ) RSA Conference talk: Autonomous Hacking Systems - Future Risk or FUD Houston Security Conference talk: This is how we lose control - Focused on the catastrophic/societal risks - P(Doom) Mason's update on theories about Google Gemini threatening people : AI Didn’t Threaten Humanity—The Media Did: Breaking Down the Gemini Incident LLM Context Windows Lost in the Middle: How Language Models Use Long Contexts Attention Sorting Combats Recency Bias in Long Context Large Language Models Cognitive Overload Attack: Prompt Injection for Long Context Suno and Generative AI Music Generation : Suno Udio Whispers in the Static (full song generated on Suno) Experimental outro from today's episode (Suno) Wired: US Record Labels Sue AI Music Generators Suno and Udio for Copyright Infringement Soundiiz Blog: The music industry is at war against AI: Suno and Udio’s case *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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The FAIK Files | Consciousness, Scams, & Death Threats 52:24

16 weeks ago52:24

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Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Happy FAIKs-giving everyone! Welcome to the newly renovated and relaunched FAIK Files podcast. On this week's episode, Perry & Mason cover Anthropic's recent hiring of an employee focused on AI well-being, an AI grandmother from hell (for scammers), and Google's Gemini chatbot allegedly tells a user what it really thinks of them. Welcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense. Want to leave us a voicemail ? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cThqEnMhJz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** AI Wellbeing: Anthropic has hired an 'AI welfare' researcher: https://www.transformernews.ai/p/anthropic-ai-welfare-researcher It’s time to take AI welfare seriously: https://www.transformernews.ai/p/ai-welfare-paper Taking AI Welfare Seriously: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2411.00986 The problem of sycophancy in AI : Suckup software: How sycophancy threatens the future of AI: https://www.freethink.com/robots-ai/ai-sycophancy Towards Understanding Sycophancy in Language Models: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2310.13548 AI Interpretability: Mapping the Mind of a Large Language Model: https://www.anthropic.com/news/mapping-mind-language-model Lex Fridman podcast interview with Dario Amodei, Amanda Askell, & Chris Olah: https://youtu.be/ugvHCXCOmm4 Deceptive and self-serving tendencies in AI systems: Sycophancy to subterfuge: Investigating reward tampering in language models: https://www.anthropic.com/research/reward-tampering OpenAI o1 System Card: https://openai.com/index/openai-o1-system-card/ Announcing our updated Responsible Scaling Policy: https://www.anthropic.com/news/announcing-our-updated-responsible-scaling-policy AI Grandmother from Hell (for scammers): Phone network employs AI "grandmother" to waste scammers' time with meandering conversations: https://www.techspot.com/news/105571-phone-network-employs-ai-grandmother-waste-scammers-time.html YouTube video of Daisy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_SdCfZ-0s AI Dumpster Fire of the Week (Gemini tells an end user what it really thinks about him): Article: https://people.com/ai-chatbot-alarms-user-with-unsettling-message-human-please-die-8746112 Gemini interaction: https://gemini.google.com/share/6d141b742a13 *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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FAIK Miniseries (sneak peek) | Chapter 3: The Mindset and Tools of a Digital Manipulator 31:56

23 weeks ago31:56

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This is Part Three of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions . Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Voice credits for the opening "Whispers from the Static": Kayla Temshiv This is the last episode we are publishing in this feed. If you enjoy The FAIK Files, be sure to follow the show's feed so you don't miss out on future episodes. Links to the show: Apple Podcasts : https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-faik-files-decoding-ai-deception/id1771521321 Spotify : https://open.spotify.com/show/7CGEktxUQAbgwQaWB922Ip?si=9-NazIazRgKCDXudoGwAdQ All others : https://www.buzzsprout.com/2409237 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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FAIK Miniseries (sneak peek) | Chapter 2: New Frontiers of Deception: AI and Synthetic Media 29:56

24 weeks ago29:56

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This is Part Two of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions . Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com We'll be posting episodes 1 through 3 on this feed. If you enjoy The FAIK Files, be sure to follow the show's feed so you don't miss out on future episodes. Links to the show: Apple Podcasts : https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-faik-files-decoding-ai-deception/id1771521321 Spotify : https://open.spotify.com/show/7CGEktxUQAbgwQaWB922Ip?si=9-NazIazRgKCDXudoGwAdQ All others : https://www.buzzsprout.com/2409237 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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FAIK Miniseries (sneak peek) | Chapter 1: The Eternal Battle for the Mind 32:22

24 weeks ago32:22

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This is Part One of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions . Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com We'll be posting episodes 1 through 3 on this feed. If you enjoy The FAIK Files, be sure to follow the show's feed so you don't miss out on future episodes. Links to the show: Apple Podcasts : https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-faik-files-decoding-ai-deception/id1771521321 Spotify : https://open.spotify.com/show/7CGEktxUQAbgwQaWB922Ip?si=9-NazIazRgKCDXudoGwAdQ All others : https://www.buzzsprout.com/2409237 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Digital Mindhunters 59:19

26 weeks ago59:19

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In this conversation, Perry sits down with Dr. Bilyana Lilly to discuss her new book Digital Mindhunters (Coming Oct 30) and the intersection of cybersecurity, disinformation, and AI. She describes the narrative structure of her book, navigating a world of cyber threats and influence operations, and the evolving landscape of disinformation with AI amplifying threats. Dr. Lilly emphasizes the importance of awareness and education in combating misinformation and highlights the global threats posed by countries like Russia and China. Guests: Dr. Bilyana Lilly ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) References: Digital Mindhunters , by Dr. Bilyana Lilly (Amazon Associates Link) EU vs. Disinfo website International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN) Code of Principles Quote Origin: A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes SE Community John Henry competition (where Perry's AI bot was able to compete!) [PROVED] Unsuspecting Call Recipients Are Super Vulnerable to AI Vishing Perry's LinkedIn post talking about the competition results Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024) : FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Book website: https://thisbookisfaik.com Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Let's talk Social Engineering 57:43

28 weeks ago57:43

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In this episode, Perry catches-up with Stephanie (Snow) & JC Carruthers. They talk about social engineering, the DEFCON Social Engineering Community / Village, and share their favorite (and most embarrassing) social engineering stories. Perry also gives a quick update on his recent exploits entering an AI chatbot into the Social Engineering Village CTF, speaking at the DEFCON AI Village, and the release of his new book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions . Guests: Stephanie (Snow) Carruthers: ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) JC Carruthers: ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) References: Social Engineering Community website SE Community twitter page SE Community John Henry competition (where Perry's AI bot was able to compete!) [PROVED] Unsuspecting Call Recipients Are Super Vulnerable to AI Vishing Perry's LinkedIn post talking about the competition results Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024) : FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Book website: https://thisbookisfaik.com Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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What About Ethics? 55:05

33 weeks ago55:05

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On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Ed Skoudis to discuss the simplicity and complexities of cybersecurity ethics. Ed's new book is The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity . Guest: Ed Skoudis ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) ( Website ) Books and References: The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity , by Paul J. Maurer and Ed Skoudis The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel: Genius, Power, and Deception on the Eve of World War I, by Douglas Brunt The Cybersecurity Code (downloadable): https://www.montreat.edu/cybersecurity-code/ The Code of Honor book page YouTube Video: Inside SANS Holiday Hack Challenge 2023 | Host: Ed Skoudis | August 29, 2023 Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024) : FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Book website: https://thisbookisfaik.com Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Can You Really Tell if Something is Written by an AI? 49:51

36 weeks ago49:51

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On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Jon Gillham. Jon is the founder and CEO of Originality.ai -- an AI content detection platform designed to help website owners, content marketers, writers and publishers hit 'publish' with integrity in the world of generative AI. In this interview, we get the lowdown on how AI content detection works, what it is good at, and where some of the current limits are. Guest: Jon Gillham ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) ( Website ) Books and References: AI Content Detector Accuracy Review + Open Source Dataset and Research Tool , Originality.ai blog post Is Using AI Tools the Same as Plagiarizing? A Legal Perspective , Originality.ai blog post Empirical Study of AI-Generated Text Detection — Results as per An Empirical Study of AI-Generated Text Detection Tools , Originality.ai blog post A Survey on LLM-Generated Text Detection: Necessity, Methods, and Future Directions LLM-as-a-Coauthor: The Challenges of Detecting LLM-Human Mixcase Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024) : FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Money Laundering 101: a chat with Investigative Journalist Geoff White 51:37

41 weeks ago51:37

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On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with investigative journalist, author, and podcaster, Geoff White. They discuss Geoff's new book, "Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks", the state of global cybercrime, and (everybody's favorite topic) artificial intelligence. Guest: Geoff White ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) Books and References: Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks , by Geoff White RinsedGPT -- Generative AI questions/answers from the book, Rinsed The Lazarus Heist: Based on the hit podcast , by Geoff White Crime Dot Com: From Viruses to Vote Rigging, How Hacking Went Global , by Geoff White The Lazarus Heist podcast (BBC) YouTube video: Three Key Types of Cybercriminals , by Geoff White Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Communicating Complex Topics with Creativity and Passion 56:41

45 weeks ago56:41

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In this episode, Perry sits down with award winning cybersecurity author, George Finney to discuss his recent book, Project Zero Trust . This is a broad discussion that hits on the concepts of Zero Trust, George's approach to writing the book, his passion for storytelling, and much more. Guest : George Finney ( LinkedIn ) ( Website ) Books and References: Project Zero Trust: A Story about a Strategy for Aligning Security and the Business , by George Finney Well Aware: Master the Nine Cybersecurity Habits to Protect Your Future , by George Finney The history and evolution of zero-trust security , TechTarget Wikipedia: Zero Trust Security Model Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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How Rachel Tobac Hacked Me 35:43

49 weeks ago35:43

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In this episode Perry Carpenter sits down with Rachel Tobac to debrief after her recent KB4-CON session, "How I'd Hack You Live" where she... well... hacked Perry live. Perry and Rachel explore how age-old deception techniques are being revamped for the digital age. The discussion spans the future of social engineering, the increasing role of AI in security, and a few other fun bits. Guest : Rachel Tobac ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter / X ) ( Website ) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): KB4-CON 2024 Main Stage Sessions (Registration required) Deepfake scammer walks off with $25 million in first-of-its-kind AI heis t, Ars Technica The Social Engineer's Playbook: A Practical Guide to Pretexting , by Jeremiah Talamantes The Art of Deception: Controlling the Human Element of Security , by Kevin Mitnick YouTube video: 60 minutes Here’s how I used AI to clone a 60 Minutes correspondent’s voice to trick a colleague YouTube video: It Was Easy to Hack a Billionaire YouTube video: Inside the Mind of an Ethical Hacker Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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How AI Can Deceive and be Deceived 56:37

52 weeks ago56:37

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On this episode Perry sits down with Dr. Matthew Canham to explore ways in which AI can be weaponized against us, and how age old social engineering tactics can be used to trick large language models. Guest : Dr. Matthew Canham ( LinkedIn ) ( Website ) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): Cognitive Security Institute YouTube Channel Cognitive Security Institute website YouTube video: BlackHat Presentation -- Me and My Evil Digital Twin: The Psychology of Human Exploitation by AI Assistants YouTube video: NEW AI Jailbreak Method SHATTERS GPT4, Claude, Gemini, LLaMA Not with a Bug, But with a Sticker: Attacks on Machine Learning Systems and What To Do About Them , by Ram Shankar Siva Kumar & Hyrum Anderson Six Thinking Hats , the de Bono Group Six Thinking Hats: Looking at Decision in Different Ways , MindTools AI + Six Thinking Hats , LifeArchitect.ai 8Li Season 4, episode 10: Artificial Intelligence Insights & Oddities Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Frame the Future: The Art of Becoming a Futurist 41:47

1 year ago41:47

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On this episode Perry sits down with Jeremy Treadwell, a people-first technologist and futurist, to get the lowdown on how a futurist approaches the world. Guest : Jeremy Treadwell ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): YouTube Video: What UX/UI Taught Me about Improving Security Awareness [SANS Security Awareness Summit 2022] , Jeremy Treadwell YouTube Video: Reimagine the Future of Data, Privacy + Security with Technologist Jeremy Treadwell The Institute for the Future website Four Questions to Turn Everyone in Your Company Into a Futurist , FastCompany article How Does a Futurist See the Future , LinkedIn Article by Jacob Morgan The Black Swan: Second Edition: The Impact of the Highly Improbable: With a new section: "On Robustness and Fragility" , by Nassim Nicholas Taleb The Gray Rhino: How to Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore , by Michele Wucker William Gibson’s Future Is Now , Pagan Kennedy, the New York Times 8Li Season 1, episode 8: The Risk Episode: Black Swans, Grey Rhinos, Angels & Demons Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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How to Scam a Romance Scammer 57:51

1 year ago57:51

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Welcome to season 5 of 8th Layer Insights! To celebrate Valentine's Day, Perry sits down with Emmy winning reporter Kerry Tomlinson to talk about the time she turned the tables on a romance scammer. Guest : Kerry Tomlinson ( LinkedIn ) ( Website ) ( YouTube ) Books and References: YouTube video: Inside a romance scam: how to make a catfisher sing YouTube video: Scammers are stealing people's faces for live video calls National Cybersecurity Alliance : Online Romance and Dating Scams National Cybersecurity Alliance : Romance Scams Resource Kit Federal Trade Commission: Romance scammers’ favorite lies exposed Know Your Meme: On the Internet, Nobody Knows You're A Dog ‘NOBODY KNOWS YOU’RE A DOG’: As iconic Internet cartoon turns 20, creator Peter Steiner knows the joke rings as relevant as ever Wikipedia: On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Artificial Intelligence: Insights & Oddities 1:07:42

1 year ago1:07:42

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On this episode, Perry celebrates the one year birthday of ChatGPT by taking a look at AI from technological, philosophical, and folkloric perspectives. We see how AI was formed based on human words and works, and how it can now shape the future of human legend and belief. Guests: Brandon Karpf, Vice President at N2K Networks ( LinkedIn ) ( Website ) Dr. Lynne S. McNeill, Associate Professor at Utah State University ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) Dr. John Laudun, Professor at University of Louisiana at Lafayette ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) ( Website ) Lev Gorelov, Research Director at Handshake Consulting ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) ( Website ) Resources Interview with the AI, part one , by the Brandon Karpf / the CyberWire 'Hard Fork': An Interview With Sam Altman , by The New York Times The Exciting, Perilous Journey Toward AGI , Ilya Sutskever TED Talk Ilya: the AI scientist shaping the world , by The Guardian Meet Loab, the AI Art Woman Haunting the Internet: Is she a demon? A Cryptid? Or nothing at all... , the Guardian In 2016, Microsoft’s Racist Chatbot Revealed the Dangers of Online Conversation The bot learned language from people on Twitter—but it also learned values , IEEE Spectrum Perry's Digital Folklore episode about AI Handshake's Generative AI Masterclass on Maven Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website ( https://digitalfolklore.fm/ ) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter , shop for merch , support the show on Patreon , and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news . Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , Storyblocks , & EpidemicSound . 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Technology and the Law of Unintended Consequences (Encore) 53:43

1 year ago53:43

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Let's face it. Most of us have a love/hate relationship with technology and technological advances. We dream about the new thing... but when it arrives, we are usually a little disappointed. Many of us also lament the constant erosion of privacy, the changes in social norms, and more. And, little-by-little, we allow those aspects of new technology to make us numb. We accept the cognitive dissonance of not totally being happy with the trade-offs; yet we still make the trade. In this episode, we explore a few of the positives and some of the unintended consequences associated with recent technological advancements. We'll hear from Dr. Lydia, Kostopoulos, Dr. Charles Chaffin, Andra Zaharia, and Aaron Barr. Guests : Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos ( LinkedIn ) ( Website ) Dr. Charles Chaffin ( LinkedIn ) ( Website ) Andra Zaharia ( LinkedIn ) ( Website ) Aaron Barr ( LinkedIn ) ( Website ) Books and Resources : IEEE Article: Decoupling Human Characteristics from Algorithmic Capabilities by Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos Numb: How the Information Age Dulls Our Senses and How We Can Get them Back by Dr. Charles Chaffin (Amazon Associate Links) The Numb Podcast by Dr. Charles Chaffin The Cyber Empathy Podcast by Andra Zaharia Reminder: Your 'smart AI' often involves a low-paid contractor surveilling you How creepy is your smart speaker? Newton's Laws of Motion Unintended Consequences Elon Musk's warning regarding AI Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter (Amazon Associate Link) Everything is Alive podcast by PRX and Radiotopia Production Credits: Additional voice talent provided by Kristina Leigh. Additional research by Nyla Gennaoui. Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email : hello [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Cybersecurity First Principles w/Rick Howard 42:42

1 year ago42:42

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On today's show, Perry sits down with Rick Howard to discuss Rick's new book and the concept of "First Principles" as they apply in the domain of cybersecurity. Rick Howard is the CSO of N2K and the Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at the N2K Cyber, formerly CyberWire. His past lives include CSO at Palo Alto Networks, CISO at TASC, the GM at Verisign/iDefense, the Counterpane SOC Director, and the Commander of the Army's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT). Rick served 25 years in the Army, taught computer science at West Point, and recently published , "Cybersecurity First Principles: A Reboot of Strategy and Tactics." Guest: Rick Howard ( LinkedIn ) Rick's book, podcasts, and other stuff Cybersecurity First Principles: A Reboot of Strategy and Tactics (Amazon Associate link) Promo video for Rick's Cybersecurity First Principles video course CSO Perspectives Podcast Word Notes Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website ( https://digitalfolklore.fm/ ) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter , shop for merch , support the show on Patreon , and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news . Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , Storyblocks , & EpidemicSound . 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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OSINT, Curiosity, Creativity, & Career Pivots: A Conversation with Rae Baker 35:50

1 year ago35:50

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If you’ve been listening to this show for a while, you’ll know that we’ve touched on the topic of Open Source Intelligence (otherwise known as OSINT) several times. It is an area of information security that penetration testing that’s been getting quite a bit of attention over the past several years. When you think about the digital world we live in, where we have a proliferation of personal, organizational, and governmental data on the internet...and the simple fact that data likes to leak…we can safely predict that OSINT investigation techniques will continue to be in demand. On this episode, Perry sits down with Rae Baker. Rae is the author of the book Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence, which was released in April of this year from Wiley publishing. In this discussion with Rae, you’ll hear a bit about her career pivot to OSINT specialist from being a graphic designer, how creativity fuels her job, advice for aspiring cybersecurity and OSINT professionals, and a lot more. Guest : Rae Baker ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) ( Website ) Books and References: Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence , by Rae Baker (Amazon Associate link) Kase Scenarios: https://kasescenarios.com/ The OSINT Curious project TraceLabs YouTube Playlist from the 2022 SANS OSINT Summit YouTube video by The Cyber Mentor: Learn OSINT in 4.5 Hours Lockheed Martin Cyber Kill-Chain: https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/cyber/cyber-kill-chain.html Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Conversational Security Awareness: Putting Humanity into Your Human Risk Management Program 58:49

2 years ago58:49

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Listen in as Perry Carpenter & Dr. Jessica Barker present their joint session, " Conversational Security Awareness" at the SANS Managing Human Risk Summit. ... and stay tuned after the presentation for a quick conversation between Perry, Jessica, and Lance Spitzner (SANS) as they discuss themes from this year's event. Guests : Dr. Jessica Barker ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) Jeremy Treadwell ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) Lance Spitzner ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) Additional Resources : Jessica Barker's great blog post summarizing this session Jessica Barker's 2020 RSA Keynote Related 8Li Episodes : 8Li S1 E9: Security ABCs Part 1: Make Awareness Transformational 8Li S1 E10: Security ABCs Part 2: 8th Layer Insights and the Quest for Security Culture 8Li S2 E10: The Next Evolution of Security Awareness 8Li S4 E3: Carrots, Sticks, and Culture: The Art and Science of Social Signaling 8Li S4 E5: We are the Champions 8Li S4 E6: Blending Awareness, Social Engineering, and Physical Penetration Testing -- A Conversation with Jayson E. Street Relevant Books (Amazon Associate Links) Confident Cyber Security: How to Get Started in Cyber Security and Futureproof Your Career , by Jessica Barker Cybersecurity ABCs: Delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change by Jessica Barker, Adrian Davis, Bruce Hallas, & Ciarán Mc Mahon Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work , by Uri Gneezy Security Awareness Program Builder: Practical guidelines for building your Information Security Awareness Program & prep guide for the Security Awareness and Culture Professional (SACP)™ by Mark Majewski Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email : hello [at] 8thLayerInsights [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Blending Awareness, Social Engineering, and Physical Penetration Testing -- A Conversation with Jayson E. Street 1:08:09

2 years ago1:08:09

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On today's show, Perry sits down with Jayson E. Street to discuss his unique blend of social engineering, physical penetration testing, and security awareness. Jayson refers to this as being trained by a simulated adversary . At the heart of Jayson's method is intense boldness in his approach to social engineering and penetration testing coupled with an equally intense passion for helping his clients and their employees improve their overall security posture and mindsets. It's about education rather than exploitation. Guest: Jayson E. Street ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) ( Website ) YouTube videos of Jayson 2022 Saintcon: Hacker Striptease Tomorrow Unlocked: Penetration tester Jayson E. Street helps banks by hacking them Risks & Reels: Who's a Hacker? Jasyon's book (Amazon Associate link) Dissecting the Hack: The V3rb0t3n Network Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website ( https://digitalfolklore.fm/ ) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter , shop for merch , support the show on Patreon , and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news . Season 2 starts September 4, 2023 . Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , Storyblocks , & EpidemicSound . 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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How to Fool the White House (Encore) 1:07:21

2 years ago1:07:21

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Hey all! I'm at BlackHat and Defcon this week. If you're there, track me down. I'd love to meet you! This week's episode is an encore of one of my favorites. My interview with James Linton (a.k.a. The Email Prankster). In 2017, James went on a virtual joyride exploiting the ways that people interact with emails. One of the most interesting things about James' story is that his exploits didn't rely on any type of highly technical method(s); they were simple display name deceptions. But that didn't stop him from fooling CEOs from some of the worlds largest banks, celebrities, and high ranking staff members in the White House. James' success using these simple methods serves as a warning for us all. We don't fall for scams because they are technically sophisticated or because we are stupid. We fall for scams because we are human. Guest: James Linton ( LinkedIn ) ( Website ) Books and Resources : Anatomy Of An Email Impersonation Spree: Who Got Pranked And Why An email prankster is hitting the CEOs of the world's biggest banks How to Prank the Rich and Powerful Without Really Trying Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman falls for email prank This Man Pranked Eric Trump And Harvey Weinstein — Now He Just Wants A Job Media Coverage YouTube Playlist James Linton -- Wikipedia Entry The Journal of Best Practices: A Memoir of Marriage, Asperger Syndrome, and One Man's Quest to Be a Better Husband by David Finch Perry -- Interview on Springbrook's Converge Autism Radio Perry -- Security Weekly Interview Perry Carpenter - The Aspies Guide to Social Engineering - DEF CON 27 Social Engineering Village Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , & Storyblocks . Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email : hello [at] 8thLayerInsights [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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We are the Champions 45:12

2 years ago45:12

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There has been a lot of buzz for the past few years about the benefits and importance of establishing security champions programs. These are groups of people in your organization who become vital, responsible, and proactive contributing evangelists to the security culture of your organization. I often refer to them as "culture carriers." And, while there is general agreement that these are good programs to have, establishing them is currently a bit of a dark art. On today's show, Perry sits down with Sarah Janes of Layer 8 security to discuss the importance of champion programs and tease out a few best practices. Guest: Sarah Janes ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) ( Website ) Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website ( https://digitalfolklore.fm/ ) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter , shop for merch , support the show on Patreon , and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , Storyblocks , & EpidemicSound . 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Something Wicked This Way Comes: PenTesting Your Environment w/Chad Peterson of NetSPI 47:25

2 years ago47:25

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On this episode, Perry sits down with Chad Peterson, Managing Director at NetSPI , to discuss the importance of penetration testing. We touch on aspects of social engineering, discussing complex security issues with Boards of Directors, the prevalence of Ransomware, and some of the unique challenges facing the healthcare industry. Guest: Chad Peterson ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links) CISO Desk Reference Guide: A Practical Guide for CISOs by Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, & Matt Stamper Penetration Testing: A Hands-On Introduction to Hacking by Georgia Weidman Practical Social Engineering: A Primer for the Ethical Hacker by Joe Gray Ransomware Protection Playbook by Roger Grimes The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity by Christian Espinosa Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Perry's new show, Digital Folklore kicked-off Jan 16, 2023. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Check out the website ( https://digitalfolklore.fm/ ) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter , check out our merch , Patreon , and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , Storyblocks , & EpidemicSound . 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Carrots, Sticks, and Culture: The Art and Science of Social Signaling 47:59

2 years ago47:59

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On this episode, what cybersecurity professionals need to understand about how social signaling and incentives really work. Today's episode features a conversation with Uri Gneezy. In the field of cybersecurity, we are very interested in identifying proactive and positive ways to encourage the behavior we want. That's where Uri comes in. Uri is a well-known behavioral economist and professor of economics and strategy in the Rady School of Management at the University of California at San Diego. Most of us recognize that many of our behaviors, beliefs, and values are caught rather than taught. So, if you are interested in developing a positive security culture in your workplace, then it’s important to understand the dynamics of how people both receive and signal their security-related beliefs and values so that associated behaviors become a natural result. Listen in as Perry sits down with Uri to discuss key findings from Uri's new book, Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work . This is a fascinating deep dive into Uri’s research that has immediate applicability for anyone needing to design programs that work with, rather than against, human nature. Guest: Uri Gneezy ( LinkedIn ) ( Twitter ) ( Website ) Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links) Mixed Signals: How Incentives Re ally Work, by Uri Gneezy The Why Axis: Hidden Motives and the Undiscovered Economics of Everyday Life by Uri Gneezy & John List Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors , by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Perry's new show, Digital Folklore kicked-off Jan 16, 2023. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Check out the website ( https://digitalfolklore.fm/ ) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter , check out our merch , Patreon , and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions , Envato Elements , Storyblocks , & EpidemicSound . 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ . 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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Hacking the Paranormal -- a conversation with Banachek 1:13:09

2 years ago1:13:09

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In this episode, Perry Carpenter sits down with renowned mentalist and skeptic, Banachek. Banachek (Steve Shaw) grew up with a fascination in magic and a frustration with psychic frauds. As a teenager, he contacted magician and skeptic, James “The Amazing” Randi and ended up working with Randi on a special initiative known as Project Alpha, which set out to expose a general lack of objectivity in parapsychology research. Banachek served as the director for the James Randi Educational Foundation’s “One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge” for 15 years and is now the President of the James Randi Educational Foundation. Perry and Banachek discuss Project Alpha, the ways of fake psychics and fraudulent faith healers, and issues associated with confirmation bias and framing effects. They also discuss Banachek’s new live mentalism show in Las Vegas, which incorporates theatrical mindreading and other mentalism effects along with a storyline that explores Banachek’s life, antics, and passion for critical thinking. Guest: Banachek ( Website ) ( twitter ): Mentalist ( Performing in Las Vegas add 'social' for 30% off tickets), Skeptic, President of the James Randi Educational Foundation This episode also featured a quick comment from: George Finney : ( LinkedIn ); Chief Security Officer at Southern Methodist University ; Founder of Well Aware Security Books and References (Book links are 'Amazon Associate' links which help support the show): Brian Brushwood's podcast, World's Greatest Con Banachek Wikipedia entry Project Alpha Wikipedia entry James Randi Wikipedia entry Article about Houdini's efforts to debunk fake mediums The Discoverie of Witchcraft Wikipedia entry The Psychology of the Ouija Barnum Effect Wikipedia entry James Randi & Project Alpha Video Project Alpha lookback -- James Randi and Michael Edwards Psychological Subtleties vol 1 , by Banachek Behind the Scenes with the Mediums , by David Abbott The Discoverie of Witchcraft Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors by Perry Carpenter Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…

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What Cybersecurity Pros can Learn from Star Wars 50:00

2 years ago50:00