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Means of Creation
Means of Creation
Li Jin

Work is changing. The old structures that dominated the 20th century are gradually being replaced by platforms and cultures that have grown... more

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Documenting the Creator Economy with Avi Gandhi

Over the past year, several platforms have revised their agreements with creators. Twitch slashed its streamers’ revenue share from 70%... more

30 Jun 2023 · 1 hour, 5 minutes
AI music with Holly Herndon, Mat Dryhurst, and Jesse Walden

Last month, in April 2023, a song that used the AI-generated voices of Drake and The Weeknd went wildly viral... more

31 May 2023 · 1 hour, 12 minutes
Social tokens, NFTs, and lessons from Uber ft. Matt Alston

Two years ago, it was predicted that every creator would have a social token, which would enable fans to bet... more

07 May 2023 · 59 minutes
TikTok’s Creator Strategy ft. Paul Marvucic, Head of Product Marketing

TikTok has been in the news for a lot of reasons recently, but one thing that they’ve done well is... more

03 Apr 2023 · 50 minutes
DAOs Explained ft. Tracheopteryx

Historically, humans have organized themselves in a variety of ways: from tribes and councils, to LLCs, and C-Corps. But these... more

22 Mar 2022 · 54 minutes
The Rise of Fashion NFTs ft. Dani Loftus

How we portray ourselves online has become almost as relevant as how we portray ourselves IRL: Bored Apes and CryptoPunks... more

15 Mar 2022 · 51 minutes
Ethereum Explained ft. Preethi Kasireddy

In this episode of our web3 explainer series, we take on an ambitious task: explaining Ethereum from the ground up.... more

02 Mar 2022 · 48 minutes
Is Crypto *Actually* Destroying the Planet?

In this second episode of our new web3 explainer series we ask an important, and hard to answer question: is... more

15 Feb 2022 · 39 minutes
DeFi Explained ft. Nat Eliason

For the next few episodes of Means of Creation, we are piloting a series of web3 explainers—unpacking some of the... more

25 Jan 2022 · 52 minutes
A Look Inside Pinterest’s Creator Strategy

Pinterest is often written off as a digital mood board used to inspire purchases and future plans—a place for its... more

11 Jan 2022 · 47 minutes
Braintrust’s Founders on How to Run a Decentralised Marketplace

A recurring theme on this show has been creator and user empowerment—more specifically, how founders can build scalable businesses that... more

14 Dec 2021 · 56 minutes
Should Creators Own Their Means of Creation?

In this episode, we were joined by Erik Forman, the co-founder of The Drivers Cooperative, a driver-owned alternative to Uber... more

07 Dec 2021 · 59 minutes
Li Jin on the journey behind Variant’s new $110M fund to back the ownership economy

Nathan interviewed Li in this special episode of Means of Creation, where she talks about the $110M fund she recently... more

30 Nov 2021 · 1 hour, 25 minutes
Packy McCormick on Web3 (how he got sucked in)

Packy McCormick, author of Not Boring, one of the most widely-read analysts in tech. His newsletter now has more than... more

28 Sep 2021 · 51 minutes
How Crypto Projects Like Loot are Rewriting the Playbook for Building Communities

The hype around crypto-native communities such as Loot and Nouns DAO have taken over all our Twitter feeds. But how... more

14 Sep 2021 · 55 minutes
Understanding The Culture and Commerce Driving NFTs, with Kyle Chayka

The creator economy is in constant flux, with DAOs and NFTs currently having taken centre stage. Our guest this week,... more

31 Aug 2021 · 56 minutes
Building a Driver-Owned Alternative to Uber and Lyft

Jason Prado, Head of Product at the Drivers Cooperative, is bridging the gap between labor and capital

17 Aug 2021 · 49 minutes
Playing Games to Earn a Living in the Metaverse

Within traditional games like RuneScape and World of Warcraft, there have always been vibrant economies where players buy, sell, and... more

26 Jul 2021 · 51 minutes
Inside the Longform Content Game at Twitter

here’s a shift afoot at Twitter. The long-time microblogging platform has recently made a series of moves to position itself... more

20 Jul 2021 · 49 minutes
Jarrod Dicker Is Thinking A Lot About ‘Web 2.5’

In this week’s show we’re welcoming Jarrod Dicker, a partner at TCG who helps drive their investments in blockchain, cryptocurrency,... more

08 Jul 2021 · 56 minutes
Inside Spotify's Vision for Audio Creators

Spotify is doubling down on investing in creators. Within the past week alone, the music giant both launched its own... more

29 Jun 2021 · 57 minutes
#33 - Alex Kantrowitz on going solo as the creator economy goes mainstream

Alex Kantrowitz is a journalist who has spent years studying the inner workings of tech companies—how and why they make... more

07 Jun 2021 · 1 hour, 4 minutes
#32 - Kat Tenbarge on Why Influencers Need Watchdog Journalism

Li and Nathan are joined by Kat Tenbarge, senior reporter at Insider. Digging into Kat's work as an influencer watchdog—including... more

02 May 2021 · 48 minutes
#31 - Alex Zaccaria, Co-founder & CEO of Linktree

A few weeks ago, Linktree, a link-in-bio platform that serves as the de facto landing page for 12 million... more

17 Apr 2021 · 47 minutes
#30 - Turner Novak on Substack Pro, Twitter Spaces, and what makes Clubhouse engaging

Li and Nathan spoke to Turner Novak, a former GP at Gelt VC and an omnipresent memelord on Twitter and... more

23 Mar 2021 · 46 minutes
#29 - James Young, founder of Collab.Land, on buying Li's first NFT for 13.37 ETH and investing as a form of activism

Li and Nathan are joined by James Young, the cofounder of Collab.Land, a tokenized community management system. He previously spent... more

22 Mar 2021 · 1 hour, 29 minutes
#28 - Sam Lessin

This week on Means of Creation, we spoke to Sam Lessin! Sam is currently the co-founder of Fin and General Partner... more

24 Feb 2021 · 38 minutes
#27 - Allen Lau

This week we welcome Allen Lau, the co-founder and CEO of Wattpad—a self-publishing platform and entertainment company with 90 million... more

11 Feb 2021 · 42 minutes
#26 - Katia Ameri & Elijah Daniel

Katie Ameri and Elijah Daniel are co-founders of Rocketship House, a villa in the Hollywood Hills that serves as their... more

03 Feb 2021 · 33 minutes
#25 —Joshua Cohen on the Professionalization of the Creator Economy

Joshua Cohen is the cofounder of Tubefilter, the go-to source for creator economy news and insight. He also co-founded the... more

26 Jan 2021 · 33 minutes
#24 — Evan Britton on creating a Wikipedia for a new generation and bootstrapping an ad-based business

Evan Britton is the founder of Famous Birthdays, the de facto celebrity wikipedia offering 200,000 biographies with a focus on... more

19 Jan 2021 · 54 minutes
#23 — Community Hangout with Li, Nathan, and Adam Keesling

In another special hangout episode, Li, Nathan and MoC producer Adam Keesling talk through the week's passion economy news and... more

12 Jan 2021 · 47 minutes
#22 — Chris Messina on why the passion economy needs a more stable foundation to keep expanding

This week on Means of Creation, we spoke with Chris Messina! Chris is best known for inventing the now ubiquitous... more

21 Dec 2020 · 54 minutes
#21 — Nadia Eghbal on the parallels between open-source software development and online creators

This week on Means of Creation, we talked to Nadia Eghbal! Nadia’s work has focused on the reputation-based economies that drive... more

15 Dec 2020 · 52 minutes
#20 — Eugene Wei on all things technology, film and media

Li and Nathan talk to Eugene Wei, a former product executive who is one of the best technology bloggers online... more

08 Dec 2020 · 52 minutes
#19 — Indie Hackers founder Courtland Allen on how to build a profitable online business

In this episode, Li & Nathan chat with Courtland Allen, founder of Indie Hackers. Indie Hackers is an online community... more

23 Nov 2020 · 53 minutes
#18 — Li and Nathan on the future of online education and "Universal Creator Income"

In this special Q&A episode, Li and Nathan talk through the week's passion economy news, and take live questions from... more

17 Nov 2020 · 51 minutes
#17 — Aella on being a top 0.08% OnlyFans creator and opportunities for tech in the adult content world

Aella is an OnlyFans creator who is in the top 0.08% of all creators on the platform. Founded in 2016,... more

09 Nov 2020 · 48 minutes
#16 — Joseph Albanese, CEO and co-founder of Stir, on building business tools for creators and collab culture

Joe Albanese is the cofounder and CEO of Stir, a startup that’s building tools to help creators run their businesses.... more

02 Nov 2020 · 50 minutes
#15 — Taylor Lorenz on the creator economy, online entrepreneurship, the changing media landscape, & more

Li Jin and Nathan Baschez interview Taylor Lorenz, a technology reporter for the New York Times covering internet culture. Her... more

26 Oct 2020 · 52 minutes
Means of Creation
#22 — Chris Messina on why the passion economy needs a more stable foundation to keep expanding
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This week on Means of Creation, we spoke with Chris Messina! Chris is best known for inventing the now ubiquitous hashtag, but... more