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Business Wars
Business Wars
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Netflix vs. HBO. Nike vs. Adidas. Business is war. Sometimes the prize is your wallet or your attention. Sometimes, it’s just the... more

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Episodes

Chuck E Cheese vs ShowBiz Pizza | Rat Pizza

It’s 1976, and Atari founder Nolan Bushnell is on a mission to launch a family arcade disguised as a pizza... more

20 Nov 2024 · 32 minutes
Slicing Into New York's Pizza

Get ready for a Business Wars pizza party! Sporkful podcast host Dan Pashman and Eater NYC reporter Melissa McCart join David to settle the... more

14 Nov 2024 · 35 minutes
Beyond Meat vs Impossible Burger | Interview

Beyond Meat and Impossible Burger boomed in the 2010s, but changing tastes have turned their sizzle into a fizzle. And... more

13 Nov 2024 · 36 minutes
Beyond Meat vs Impossible Burger | Break from the Herd

It’s 2022 and Kim Kardashian is chowing down on a Beyond Burger. But the Internet buzzes over whether she actually... more

06 Nov 2024 · 35 minutes
Listen Now: Criminal Lives

What drives a regular person to risk it all in the criminal underworld? On Wondery's Criminal Lives, host Danny Gold... more

04 Nov 2024 · 5 minutes
Beyond Meat vs Impossible Burger | Beefing Up, Chowing Down

It’s 2019 and plant-based meats are on fire. But they’re also under fire. Supporters of the beef industry start a... more

30 Oct 2024 · 32 minutes
Beyond Meat vs Impossible Burger | Flame Broiled

It’s 2016 and both Pat Brown’s Impossible Foods and Ethan Brown’s Beyond Meat are cooking up plant-based burgers for mass... more

23 Oct 2024 · 31 minutes
Beyond Meat vs Impossible Burger | Pressure Cooker

It's 2008 and two men, both vegans, ponder what they can do to improve the climate. Though they’re on separate... more

16 Oct 2024 · 37 minutes
The Smash Burger Smackdown

From smash burgers to plant patties, this episode is serving up some of the biggest trends in the burger world,... more

10 Oct 2024 · 38 minutes
Vogue: Once and Forever | Fashion's Next Big Thing

Once upon a time, it was Anna Wintour’s world and we were all just living in it. Now, social media... more

09 Oct 2024 · 40 minutes
Vogue: Once and Forever | Red Ink

It’s the 1990s and new media is changing the game for all the glossies. InStyle leads the way in featuring... more

02 Oct 2024 · 38 minutes
Vogue: Once and Forever | Astonish Me

It’s the 1930’s and Harper’s Bazaar publisher William Randolph Hearst steals away Vogue’s star editor, Carmel Snow. Harper Bazaar is... more

25 Sep 2024 · 37 minutes
Vogue: Once and Forever | Front Row

It’s the 1970s, and Cosmopolitan’s circulation is exploding. But just as Cosmo establishes itself, Elle magazine debuts in the U.S.... more

18 Sep 2024 · 38 minutes
The IKEA Effect

IKEA has been in the game for about 80 years, earning a spot as the largest furniture retailer in the... more

12 Sep 2024 · 35 minutes
Fox News vs CNN | CNN’s Rough Year

In 2023, CNN ousted CEO Chris Licht after just a year on the job. His goal was to restore CNN’s... more

11 Sep 2024 · 41 minutes
Fox News vs CNN | Riot Act

It's February 2017 and CNN is mounting a comeback through its clashes with President Donald Trump. And Fox News is... more

04 Sep 2024 · 37 minutes
Fox News vs CNN | Cheerleader in Chief

It's September 11, 2001 and CNN and Fox News race to keep the nation up to date as the tragedy... more

28 Aug 2024 · 36 minutes
Fox News vs CNN | Cable Clash

It's 1996 and Fox News is getting ready to launch, but when CNN owner Time Warner tries to block it,... more

21 Aug 2024 · 40 minutes
Fox News vs CNN | Non-Stop News

It’s 1978 and Ted Turner’s out to reinvent the news with CNN, the first 24-hour news network. The challenge nearly... more

14 Aug 2024 · 40 minutes
Drug Cartels | Inside Miami’s Drug Wars with Hotel Cocaine

It’s 1978 in Miami, Florida. The hottest spot in town is a club located inside the world famous Mutiny Hotel.... more

07 Aug 2024 · 39 minutes
Drug Cartels | The Chess Master

In the 1970s, a pair of brothers and their longtime friend begin smuggling cocaine from their home city of Cali,... more

07 Aug 2024 · 21 minutes
Croc-Stars: How Comfy Clogs Took Over

Crocs are the comfy foam clogs people love to hate. Yet today, they're seen everywhere from memes to the red... more

01 Aug 2024 · 43 minutes
Cruise Ship Wars | Smooth Sailing

The seas were especially rough for the cruise line industry during the Covid-19 pandemic. There was a time when people... more

31 Jul 2024 · 35 minutes
Cruise Ship Wars | Mayday

As the cruise industry enters the 21st century, Carnival and Royal Caribbean square off again as they battle to acquire... more

24 Jul 2024 · 44 minutes
Cruise Ship Wars | A Shot Across the Bow

As Carnival cements its success by going public, founder Ted Arison and his son and CEO Micky set their sights... more

17 Jul 2024 · 43 minutes
Cruise Ship Wars | Making Waves

After his bitter exit from Norwegian Cruise Line, Ted Arison has limited time to make his new company Carnival a... more

10 Jul 2024 · 45 minutes
Cruise Ship Wars | Anchors Aweigh!

In 1950, an enterprising Miami businessman has the idea to use a passenger liner to ferry retired Floridians to the... more

03 Jul 2024 · 40 minutes
College Football Wars | Where the Pac-12 Went Wrong

The Pac-12 was one of the most prestigious college football conferences in the nation, until its leading schools left for... more

26 Jun 2024 · 38 minutes
College Football Wars | Fragile Alliance

It’s George Kliavkoff’s third week in charge of the Pac-12. But his new job will become a nightmare when the... more

19 Jun 2024 · 36 minutes
College Football Wars | The Fumble

With the College Football Playoff boosting the sport’s worth, the rivalry between the Power 5 conferences is heating up. But... more

12 Jun 2024 · 33 minutes
College Football Wars | The New Champions

Pac-12 boss Larry Scott wants a media empire that can outshine the Big Ten. But to do it, he must... more

05 Jun 2024 · 35 minutes
College Football Wars | Title Fight

It’s the 90s. College football’s a hot mess of untapped profit potential. But two TV execs have an answer. It’s... more

29 May 2024 · 39 minutes
Poppi vs Olipop: Soda’s Second Coming

Soda has had its fair share of ups and downs, but now, a new wave of prebiotic pop promises to... more

23 May 2024 · 36 minutes
Jeep vs Bronco | Back in the Saddle

David is going behind the scenes with Ford’s Director of Vehicle Personalization, Mark Grueber, who helped power the “Bronco Underground.”... more

22 May 2024 · 41 minutes
Jeep vs Bronco | Full Throttle

It's 2008 and the U.S. government spends tense months deciding whether, and then how, to bail out the U.S. auto... more

15 May 2024 · 34 minutes
Jeep vs Bronco | Bye Bye Bronco

It's 1996, and the last Bronco rolls off the assembly line in Michigan. Ford is moving on to bigger, lusher... more

08 May 2024 · 32 minutes
Jeep vs Bronco | Engine Trouble

It’s 1965 and as the Bronco bucks onto the market, the Jeep boosts its engine power in hopes of catching... more

01 May 2024 · 33 minutes
Jeep vs Bronco | Battle Hardened

It's 1940 and as Adolph Hitler’s forces storm across Europe, the American army pays a nearly broke U.S. carmaker to... more

24 Apr 2024 · 36 minutes
Allbirds: The Rise and Fall of Direct to Consumer

Allbirds was once valued at $4.1 billion. The sustainable shoe brand had a fast and meteoric rise that mirrored the path... more

18 Apr 2024 · 38 minutes
Sam Altman & the Battle for OpenAI | Is OpenAI Out of the Woods?

A lot has happened at OpenAI since that whiplash week in November 2023 when the board ousted its chief executive.... more

17 Apr 2024 · 41 minutes
Sam Altman & the Battle for OpenAI | Blood in the Water

After five intense days, Sam Altman prevails over the OpenAI Board and is reinstated as CEO, with a new board... more

10 Apr 2024 · 35 minutes
Sam Altman & the Battle for OpenAI | If You Come At the King…

OpenAI co-founder Ilya Sutskever’s move to fire Sam Altman with no warning kicks off five days of chaos for the... more

03 Apr 2024 · 37 minutes
Sam Altman & the Battle for OpenAI | Misalignment

From the outside, OpenAI looked like one of Silicon Valley’s biggest success stories. In 2022, it had stunned the world with... more

27 Mar 2024 · 44 minutes
Costco's Wholesale Revolution

Costco's membership retention rate is the stuff of other retailers' dreams, nevermind the love they get on social media. With... more

21 Mar 2024 · 43 minutes
Taylor Swift vs The World | Taylor Nation

With everything Taylor Swift’s been up to lately, being a Swiftie is almost a fulltime job. Today, David speaks with... more

20 Mar 2024 · 41 minutes
Taylor Swift vs The World | Ticketmaster Trouble

When Taylor Swift began planning The Eras Tour, she probably didn't expect to be at the forefront of an antitrust battle that could... more

13 Mar 2024 · 38 minutes
Taylor Swift vs The World | Revenge of the Swifties

By 2019, Taylor Swift's battle to get her masters back from Scooter Braun has gone public. She decides to fight... more

06 Mar 2024 · 33 minutes
Taylor Swift vs The World | Bad Blood

By 2014, Taylor Swift has spread her wings into pop. But as her self-confidence grows, so does her discontent with... more

28 Feb 2024 · 31 minutes
Taylor Swift vs The World | On the Outside

When Taylor Swift signed to an upstart country label as a teen, she probably didn't realize that she was signing... more

21 Feb 2024 · 38 minutes
The Business of Barbie

We’ve got the keys to Barbie's dream house and we’re unlocking her legacy, staying power and what’s ahead. We're joined... more

15 Feb 2024 · 33 minutes
Apple Watch vs Samsung | The Rise of Apple Watch with Steven Levy (Wired) & Cam Wolf (GQ)

When the Apple Watch first debuted, designer Jony Ive envisioned the gadget as a must-have in the world of high... more

14 Feb 2024 · 40 minutes
Apple Watch vs Samsung | This Watch Will Save Your Life

It’s 2016 and in the wake of a major PR fiasco, Samsung is rolling out their new round smartwatch with... more

07 Feb 2024 · 39 minutes
Apple Watch vs Samsung | Race to the Wrist

It’s 2012 and Apple’s legendary designer in chief, Jony Ive, decides the company’s first product launch after Steve Jobs’ death... more

31 Jan 2024 · 39 minutes
Apple Watch vs Samsung | From Dust to Dynasty

It’s 1936 in a small town in Korea and a rakish scion of a wealthy family realizes he has to... more

24 Jan 2024 · 37 minutes
Tracing the Steps of Fitbit

Before Apple and Samsung took over our wrists, there was Fitbit. The fitness tracker was just about the coolest thing... more

18 Jan 2024 · 36 minutes
Xbox vs Playstation (REMIX) | The Console Conundrum

Can you imagine video games without Sony? A partnership between Sony and Nintendo could have changed the future of Playstation... more

17 Jan 2024 · 38 minutes
Xbox vs Playstation (REMIX) | Pay to Win

It’s 2016 and Xbox boss Phil Spencer’s leading a reboot of the Xbox brand after the Xbox One’s fumbled start.... more

10 Jan 2024 · 36 minutes
Xbox vs Playstation (REMIX) | Dis-Kinect

It’s 2007 and both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are in trouble. Microsoft’s dealing with an epidemic of dying... more

03 Jan 2024 · 32 minutes
Xbox vs Playstation (REMIX) | The Betrayal

It’s 2002 and the race to build the next generation of game consoles is already underway. And Sony’s got big... more

27 Dec 2023 · 35 minutes
Xbox vs Playstation (REMIX) | Crash and Burn

It’s the year 2000. Sony’s PlayStation 2 is ready to conquer the game business and leave its Japanese rivals Sega... more

20 Dec 2023 · 37 minutes
Best of Business Wars Daily | Holiday Wars

American Girl or Barbie? Transformers or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? The Game of Life or Monopoly? We're putting your favorite... more

14 Dec 2023 · 44 minutes
Toys R US vs KB Toys | The Comeback Kid, Plus Hot Wheels!

‘Tis the season for toys! First, we’re getting an update on where toy retailers stand today with Forbes Senior Contributor... more

13 Dec 2023 · 40 minutes
Toys R US vs KB Toys | Tears 'R' Us

It’s 2004 and toy retailers across America are assessing the post-holiday damage from Walmart’s brutal price attack. And with KB Toys... more

06 Dec 2023 · 35 minutes
Toys R US vs KB Toys: Christmas Carnage

It’s 1999 and the world wide web is the new retail frontier. And both KB Toys and Toys “R” Us... more

29 Nov 2023 · 35 minutes
Toys R US vs KB Toys | Toy Hunter

It’s 1990 and Toys “R” Us rules toy retail. But when big-box retailers Walmart and Costco threaten to intrude on... more

22 Nov 2023 · 35 minutes
Toys R US vs KB Toys | Category Killer

It’s the 1950s and in Washington D.C., Charles Lazarus is running a small baby furniture store in the house he... more

15 Nov 2023 · 36 minutes
Best of Business Wars Daily | Toying Around

We're talking about legendary toy stores and how they can compete today with comedian Gianmarco Soresi, who's in the new... more

09 Nov 2023 · 35 minutes
CVS vs. Walgreens | Trouble Behind the Counter

Between overworked pharmacists, healthcare consolidation, and rising drug costs, pharmacies are constantly having to adapt. Dan Weissmann, host of the... more

08 Nov 2023 · 42 minutes
CVS vs. Walgreens | The Doctor is In

It’s 2013 and CVS boss Larry Merlo is formulating a plan to wipe two-billion dollars off of the company’s sales... more

01 Nov 2023 · 36 minutes
CVS vs. Walgreens | A New Prescription

It’s 2009 and Walgreens is in crisis. It’s just lost its CEO and surrendered its top-dog status to CVS. But it’s... more

25 Oct 2023 · 33 minutes
CVS vs. Walgreens | Clinic Bait

It’s the late 1990s and CVS and Walgreens are battling for control of the nation’s best street corners and there’s... more

18 Oct 2023 · 35 minutes
CVS vs. Walgreens | Powerful Medicine

It’s 1895 and Chicago’s a boom town that’s overflowing with pharmacies. But one drugstore is about to emerge from the... more

11 Oct 2023 · 36 minutes
Best of Business Wars Daily | Salty or Sweet?

No tricks, just treats in this chat with New York Times retail reporter Jordyn Holman and comedian Max Fine. We're talking about candy,... more

05 Oct 2023 · 38 minutes
The Rise of AI | Living in an Artificial World

Mike Calore and Lauren Goode from Wired are back! The pair co-host Wired’s Gadget Lab podcast, where they’ve been diving... more

04 Oct 2023 · 38 minutes
The Rise of AI | Battle Bots

With the popularity of ChatBots exploding, Microsoft invests billions of dollars into AI-assisted internet search,trying to strike at Google’s core... more

27 Sep 2023 · 42 minutes
The Rise of AI | No Reservations

Google is the undisputed leader in the race to dominate AI, in part because of its reputation as a company... more

20 Sep 2023 · 37 minutes
Best of Business Wars Daily | AI Disruptors

You've heard about how AI is poised (and already) revolutionizing just about everything. We're digging deeper into that and... more

06 Sep 2023 · 44 minutes
The Rise of AI | The Next Big Thing

For decades, AI stagnated with only a few dedicated scientists working on it.  But in 2012, a researcher at the... more

06 Sep 2023 · 41 minutes
Hilton vs Marriott | Pretty Cool Hotels

Grab your suitcase, because we’re taking a vacation! Today, we’re joined by Allison Pohle, travel reporter for the Wall Street... more

06 Sep 2023 · 39 minutes
Hilton vs Marriott | The Inn Crowd

It’s 2001 and the hotel industry is reeling from 9/11. But terror attacks are only the one of the new... more

30 Aug 2023 · 38 minutes
Hilton vs Marriott | Wake-Up Call

It’s the early 1990s and Marriott’s a financial wreck heading for the rocks, and running out of time to find... more

23 Aug 2023 · 37 minutes
Hilton vs Marriott | Bad Heir Day

It’s the late 1960s and succession is top of mind at both Hilton and Marriott. Conrad Hilton’s almost 80 and about... more

16 Aug 2023 · 39 minutes
Hilton vs Marriott | Check-In

It’s 1919 and Conrad Hilton is among the fortune seekers in the oil-boom town of Cisco, Texas. But when his... more

09 Aug 2023 · 38 minutes
Best of Business Wars Daily | Room Service

We'll take a look at the hotel industry landscape this summer, including the "Taylor Swift effect," and the amped up... more

03 Aug 2023 · 37 minutes
Subway vs Quiznos | Putting Subs to the Test

We’ve spent this season telling the story of how Quiznos and Subway battled to create a sub sandwich that would... more

02 Aug 2023 · 35 minutes
Subway vs Quiznos | Footlong Fiascos

It’s 2008 and as the Great Recession sinks in, Panera, Jersey Mike’s and Firehouse Subs amp up the competition. Quiznos... more

26 Jul 2023 · 33 minutes
Subway vs Quiznos | One Ounce and You’re Out

It’s 2003 in Miami, Florida and a Subway franchisee comes up with a catchy promotion: the 5 Dollar Footlong. But... more

19 Jul 2023 · 35 minutes
Subway vs Quiznos | Anywhere and Everywhere

It’s 1987 in Denver, Colorado, and a 22-year-old stockbroker named Rick Schaden invests a market windfall into a Quiznos franchise.... more

12 Jul 2023 · 33 minutes
Subway vs Quiznos | Subs Rising

It’s 1965 in Bridgeport, Connecticut, and 17-year-old Fred DeLuca needs money to pay for college. A family friend makes him... more

05 Jul 2023 · 35 minutes
Best of Business Wars Daily | Slicing Up the Sandwich King

Can old school fast food chains lure in hipper, younger diners with AI-powered features, EV charging stations and playgrounds? We'll... more

29 Jun 2023 · 36 minutes
Target vs Walmart | 'Target' Demographics

Is your house team Target or team Walmart? Depending on where you live, or what you’re trying to buy, the... more

28 Jun 2023 · 38 minutes
Target vs Walmart | Bricks and Bytes

It’s 2013 and Target’s troubles are multiplying. The Minneapolis retailer’s big push into Canada is getting the cold shoulder and... more

21 Jun 2023 · 37 minutes
Target vs Walmart | Wardrobe Malfunction

It’s early 2005 and Walmart’s reeling from a dismal holiday season. It hoped to improve its image by playing nice... more

14 Jun 2023 · 39 minutes
Target vs Walmart | The Beast from Bentonville

It’s the 1990s and Walmart’s replaced Kmart as America’s biggest retailer.  But now that it’s on top, its business practices are... more

07 Jun 2023 · 37 minutes
Wondery Presents: I Love My Kid, But…

This is a safe place for parents to get away from it all. It’s a cliche that having kids is... more

05 Jun 2023 · 8 minutes
Target vs Walmart | Retail Rumble

It’s 1962 and a new retail trend’s catching fire – big-box discount stores that reinvent shopping with out-of-town locations, huge... more

31 May 2023 · 36 minutes
Best of Business Wars Daily | Add to Cart

What's old is new again. Second-hand shopping is taking off online and the big brands want a piece of the... more

25 May 2023 · 28 minutes
Encore: Crypto Wars | Zuckerpunch

It’s 2017, and after months of sky-high price rises, the crypto bubble is about to burst. But as scammers and... more

24 May 2023 · 27 minutes
Encore: Crypto Wars | New Kids on the Blockchain

It’s the mid-2010s and a new blockchain called Ethereum is shaking up crypto. It’s the creation of nineteen-year-old Vitalik Buterin,... more

24 May 2023 · 27 minutes
Encore: Crypto Wars | Block Busting

It’s 2015 and Coinbase is out to carve up the crypto scene with its new exchange. But it’s about to... more

24 May 2023 · 24 minutes
Encore: Crypto Wars | The Great Slow Motion Swindle

It’s 2013 and bitcoin’s gaining traction at last. But just as crypto reaches for credibility, bitcoin is blindsided by high-profile... more

17 May 2023 · 26 minutes
Encore: Crypto Wars | The Untouchables

It’s 2011, and Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss are trying to move on from their legal battle with Mark Zuckerberg over... more

17 May 2023 · 25 minutes
Encore: Crypto Wars | Generate Coins

It’s 2009 and in a modest suburban home, a monetary revolution is beginning. It’s called bitcoin and it arrives with... more

17 May 2023 · 27 minutes
Encore: Tesla vs Detroit | Elon Musk...It's Complicated

Elon Musk’s takeover of Twitter was… messy, to say the least, and now the multi-billionaire is the CEO of three... more

10 May 2023 · 43 minutes
Encore: Tesla vs Detroit | Appetite for Destruction

After weathering an investigation by the government for their EVs catching on fire, Tesla is hit by another probe after... more

03 May 2023 · 35 minutes
Encore: Tesla vs Detroit | Motor City Fights Back

The battle to dominate the EV market is on. Tesla’s market value is now around $20 billion. At this rate,... more

03 May 2023 · 35 minutes
Encore: Tesla vs Detroit | Survival Mode

In 2010, Tesla Motors has already experienced tremendous highs and devastating lows. Elon Musk is a polarizing figure whose goal... more

26 Apr 2023 · 35 minutes
Encore: Tesla vs Detroit | Accelerate Faster

While the U.S. government pushed automakers to make low-emission vehicles in the 1990s, consumers loved their gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs.... more

26 Apr 2023 · 38 minutes
Best of Business Wars Daily | Chat Chat Revolution

The AI revolution is here and the tech behemoths are building and releasing their own chatbots. To talk about their... more

20 Apr 2023 · 32 minutes
Encore: Diet Wars | Dieting 3.0

First there was Weight Watchers, then there was Noom, and now there’s…Wegovy? Bloomberg health reporter Emma Court helps us understand... more

19 Apr 2023 · 39 minutes
Encore: Diet Wars | Losing Streak

It's the 2010s and the weight-loss industry's battling intensifying headwinds. Calorie-counting smartphone apps are attracting millions of users and the... more

12 Apr 2023 · 35 minutes
Encore: Diet Wars | Reaching for the Stars

It's the early 1990s and the diet boom is over. Weight Watchers is now a millstone around Heinz's neck, Jenny... more

05 Apr 2023 · 36 minutes
Encore: Diet Wars | Up From Down Under

It's 1983 and civil war's broken out within Nutri/System. But while CEO Harold Katz fights his franchisees, his former colleague... more

29 Mar 2023 · 38 minutes
Encore: Diet Wars | Scaling Up

It's 1961 and in a supermarket, housewife Jean Nidetch is about to get a shock that will send her on... more

22 Mar 2023 · 38 minutes
Business Wars | 5th Anniversary Special

We're celebrating the five-year anniversary of Business Wars with a special episode that takes you behind the scenes. We'll delve... more

16 Mar 2023 · 48 minutes
Disney-Pixar vs Dreamworks | 'To Infinity and Beyond'

We’re going behind the scenes of your favorite Disney animated movies with Andrew Millstein, former president of Disney Animation. He... more

15 Mar 2023 · 39 minutes
Disney-Pixar vs Dreamworks | Onward and Upward

It’s 2006 and with Pixar part of Disney, Ed Catmull and John Lasseter now face the task of fixing Disney... more

08 Mar 2023 · 42 minutes
Disney-Pixar vs Dreamworks | Regime Change

It’s the 2000s and Disney and Pixar are locked in a high-stakes game of chicken. Disney’s deal with Pixar is... more

01 Mar 2023 · 40 minutes
Disney-Pixar vs Dreamworks | Battle of the Bugs

It’s 1995 and Pixar’s Toy Story is just months away from release. But as the premiere of the first computer-animated... more

22 Feb 2023 · 37 minutes
Disney-Pixar vs Dreamworks | The Outcasts

It’s 1985 and Steve Jobs is fuming after being fired from Apple. He wants a second act, and he thinks... more

15 Feb 2023 · 35 minutes
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It’s 1985 and Steve Jobs is fuming after being fired from Apple. He wants a second act, and he thinks he’s found... more