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"But it makes a lot of sense especially when you think about how traditional healers and shamans have worked, they haven't felt that separation from nature like Western medics do. And so to rely on the knowledge of other species actually makes a lot of sense. It's probably a lot more than we know at the moment." - Jaap de Roode Jaap de Roode is a biology professor at Emory University, and he is the author of an astonishing new book called Doctors by Nature How Ants, Apes, and Other Animals Heal Themselves . I say astonishing because I had no idea about so much of what he explores in his book. It never occured to me to consider that other species use medicine and have been healing themselves forever. Jaap tells stories of animals across nature, from bumblebees to chimpanzees, how they use plants and natural substances to treat infections, to ward off parasites, to self-medicate. There's so much that we have learned from them, and there's so much more that we still can.…

The Pathless Path with Paul Millerd

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The Pathless Path is hosted by Paul Millerd - a writer, creator, and consultant. He has conversations with freelancers, self-employed entrepreneurs, creators, and vagabonds who share their perspectives on their relationship with work, burnout, bootstrapping, indie hacking, remote work, reinvention, creativity, sabbaticals, leisure, self-employment, unconventional living, and digital nomadism. Past guests include Ali Abdaal, Russ Roberts, Kevin Kelly, Khe Hy, David Senra, Derek Sivers, Joe Hudson, Luke Burgis, Ben Hunt, Dan Vassallo, Steph Smith, Alex Pang, Visakan Veerasamy, Michael Ashcroft, Kyla Scalon, Trung Phan, Justin Welch, and more.

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The Pathless Path with Paul Millerd

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"Dirtbag Rich" - Blake Boles & I Talk About Extracting More Freedom From Life 1:05:25

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Links: Podcast Blake Boles Dirtbag Rich Site : https://www.blakeboles.com/dbr/ Episode Desription Paul Millerd is a 39-year-old writer, ex-consultant, and advocate for ditching the default path in favor of what he calls “the pathless path.” (pmillerd.com / @p_millerd) Paul walked away from a promising corporate consulting career—think McKinsey, prestige, and six-figure salaries—to pursue a life of writing, experimenting, and global wandering. He describes how he initially struggled with unlearning his achievement-oriented mindset, why the idea of good work (work that energizes) became his guiding principle, and how his first self-published book, The Pathless Path , briefly and unexpectedly earned six figures. We discuss the philosophical basis of work and money, how to avoid the traps of both scarcity and overachievement, and how the value of exercising your freedom is limited by how others exercise their own freedom. (In other words: if you're free to hike on a sunny Wednesday afternoon, and no one's available to go with you, are you really free?) Paul and his wife have a young daughter, and they struggle to find and live near other, like-minded families. We talk about how online communities help Paul stay connected while living nomadically between Texas and Taiwan and how online self-education was invaluable to his success. We conclude with a discussion of navigating fear and uncertainty on the pathless path. Throughout the conversation, Paul stays refreshingly honest about the tensions between freedom and stability, the allure of easy money, and the ever-present temptation to fall back into old habits of achievement and validation. Energized by this conversation, I ended up talking more than usual about the tricky balance of factors that leads to a Dirtbag Rich existence. 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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Matt Yao Interviews Me 51:38

18 weeks ago51:38

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This was a fun episode. A friend, Matt Yao, reached out to see if he could interview me about my recent book, Good Work. We first connected when he called me in the summer of 2022. He was in the middle of my book and knew he needed to quit his job. Over the last few years, he's been on a transformational journey, experimenting with writing, coaching, and several other side quests. Hope you enjoy this conversation. You can learn more about Matt here: Matt Yao 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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Building A Life Around Good Work (Paul Interviewed by Abel James) 1:35:11

22 weeks ago1:35:11

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You can follow Abel's podcast here: Abel James Show 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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Good Work is Live! (Audiobook preview) 5:47

25 weeks ago5:47

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Check out and purchase Good Work here: https://pmillerd.com/goodwork Or from Amazon directly: https://amzn.to/4gwRSCN

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#175 20 Families as a "Traveling Village - Nikolaj Astrup on his experiment living in Thailand, Vietnam, and Japan with 20 families from around the world 43:37

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#174 Agency Is A Skill — Cate Hall on leaving law for poker, developing agency, deterministic vs probabilistic economy, risk, burnout, asking dumb questions, defining ambition, seeking real… 1:02:19

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Cate seemed to be fully entrenched on the default path — she had graduated from Yale and became the Supreme Court advocate on her way to becoming a partner in her law firm. But she didn't want to live the lives of the people around her. She pivoted hard, you could almost hear car brakes squeaking as she made the turn, and over a year she became the number one female poker player in the world. She later started art and perfume companies and led operations at Avlea — a pandemic medicine company. One might think she's simply a superhuman, and what she did is beyond the grasp of mere mortals, but Cate claims that agency is learnable and joins the podcast to tell us how. 🎥🍿 YOUTUBE : WATCH HERE Links: X (Twitter): @catehall LinkedIn Cate's Article — How to be More Agentic ⌛TIMESTAMPS (00:00) - Intro (02:07) - The scripts that Cate grew up with (06:32) - Doors-opening credentials? (10:23) - Leaving law for poker (18:37) - Developing agency, learning form the others (23:42) - Deterministic vs probabilistic economy (26:53) - Risk and the diminishing prestige of the traditional paths (31:10) - Burnout (37:20) - Asking dumb questions (41:59) - Defining ambition (43:39) - Seeking actual feedback and how everything is learnable (50:11) - The surface area of luck (57:45) - Closing remarks 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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1 Year Dad Reflections - Conversation with Sky King & Nat Eliason 1:24:59

47 weeks ago1:24:59

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This is from Sky King's podcast: https://skmp.supercast.com/ Guest info: Nat: https://www.nateliason.com/ Nat also has an amazing book coming out which I highly recommend, "Crypto Confidential": https://amzn.to/44BJ74I 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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#173 Solopreneurship After Burnout — Justin Welsh on burnout, taking ownership of his time, struggling with a results oriented mindset, non-monetary success, becoming a top LinkedIn influencer,… 1:06:52

51 weeks ago1:06:52

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Justin is a former startup executive who helped build two startups past valuations of $1B, teams of 150+ people, and raise over $300M in venture capital. Now he’s building his one-person knowledge business toward $5M in annual profit. 🎥🍿 YOUTUBE : WATCH HERE Links: Personal website LinkedIn X (Twitter): @thejustinwelsh The Creator MBA The Saturday Solopreneur ⌛TIMESTAMPS (00:00) - Intro (01:34) - The scripts that Justin grew up with (09:59) - Attention and social media (11:43) - Liking your job, the interest curve & having goals (15:55) - Justin's burnout, finding a new path & taking ownership of your time (25:30) - Not starting earlier & struggling with a results oriented mindset (31:46) - Creativity, non-monetary success & business as a creative act (38:09) - Being the nr. 1 LinkedIn influencer (42:30) - Income goals on the solo path (47:09) - The Creator MBA & Brennan Dunn (52:09) - Not making the solo career a job & fears around money (57:47) - Avoiding emotions, confidence (01:02:17) - What's Justin excited about (01:03:58) - Closing remarks 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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#172 Success In The Second Half Of Life — Henry Oliver on John Stuart Mill, Samuel Johnson, Penelope Fitzgerald, why we shouldn't dismiss Gladwell, writing, late bloomers, the importance of finding… 1:08:58

1 year ago1:08:58

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Henry is a writer, speaker and brand consultant. He joins the podcast to discuss his upcoming book — Second Act — in which he analysises the phenomenon of late bloomers and what we can learn from them. 🎥🍿 YOUTUBE : WATCH HERE Links: Personal website Substack: The Common Reader X (Twitter): @HenryEOliver Second Act ⌛TIMESTAMPS (00:00) - Intro (00:49) - Guest introduction (01:35) - The scripts that Henry grew up with (05:48) - John Stuart Mill (08:19) - Samuel Johnson (15:01) - "The common reader" & Why we shouldn't dismiss Gladwell (18:19) - Writing (22:03) - His book about the late bloomers (28:48) - Penelope Fitzgerald (34:16) - Is it too easy to share your writing? (37:17) - The importance of finding the others (41:20) - Conversations, talking to yourself and writing (43:52) - Getting disappointed early (48:30) - There is no actual average person, the importance of taking variability into account (53:07) - How writing a book changes people (55:48) - Tyler Cowen and the power of the internet (58:25) - What Samuel Johnson would be working on today? (01:00:14) - The lessons from Audrey Sutherland (01:05:31) - Closing remarks 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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#171 "All Work Is Noble," Montessori, and Kids & Work — Matt Bateman on starting growing up with the internet, digital and industrial literacy, studying philosophy and learning how to teach,… 1:15:23

1 year ago1:15:23

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Matt Bateman has a PhD in philosophy. He has abandoned the academic career, to pursue education in the Montessori system. A dad of three, he is passionate about educating children. Having worked a lot with training the teachers in the Montessori approach, he has now taken a step back to focus on writing his book. 🎥🍿 YOUTUBE : WATCH HERE Links: Matt's Twitter — @mbateman montessorium.com guidepost ⌛TIMESTAMPS (00:00) - Intro (01:32) - The scripts that Matt grew up with (05:18) - Growing up with the internet (08:20) - Kids and technology, digital and industrial literacy (14:11) - Babysitting, PhD in Philosophy and learning how to teach (17:45) - Getting into Montessori (19:40) - Starting the Guideposts & How to train good teachers (24:28) - The pathological approach to work we learnt and how little children naturally want to help (33:06) - “All work is noble” (41:07) - The role of values in education through history (48:49) - The Montessori system, differences in non-alphabetic writing systems (53:57) - Agency as the aim of education (59:08) - Advice for parents, the pros and cons of college (01:05:48) - Matt’s new book & the hidden bad value system taught in modern schools (01:10:02) - Closing remarks 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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#170 Apprenticeships, Sabbaticals & "Good Work" — Steve Schlafman & Matt Yao on slowing down, deprogramming, unlearning, learning from others, deciding to quit, going on a sabbatical, not being… 1:24:16

1 year ago1:24:16

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Steve is a professional coach and the founder of Downshift — the world's first decelerator. He has left a career in venture, but he remains ambitious, it's just that his ambition is now to have a good, multidimentional life, where he can be a good dad for his kids. Matt has left a traditional path early on to write, travel and discover his own path. When he met Steve, he offered him to become his apprentice and joined Downshift. 🎥🍿 YOUTUBE : WATCH HERE Links: Downshift Steve's website Steve's Twitter Matt's Twitter Matt's blog — Game of One Matt's blog — Build in Climate Downshift on Twitter ⌛TIMESTAMPS (00:00) - Intro (02:52) - The scripts that Steve & Matt grew up with (05:38) - Slowing down, deprogramming and unlearning (12:30) - The cocoon stage (14:43) - Deciding to quit (19:03) - Learning from others on the path and having children (25:56) - Trust (29:07) - Matt's sabbatical, finding good work (35:04) - No jealousy, competitiveness vs enoughness (39:14) - Matt's apprenticeship with Steve (48:23) - Putting yourself in a place where it's easy to help you (52:21) - Downshift & Ambition (01:02:52) - Marriage & Family (01:10:40) - Reframing money, skiing and oatmeal (01:17:01) - Launching decelerator (01:21:12) - Closing remarks 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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#169 "2M Subscribers, I love what I do, should I take a break?" — David Pakman on finding good work early, , how money and motivation changed over time, finding a balance in content creation, life… 1:00:09

1 year ago1:00:09

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David Pakman is a political commentator and the host of The David Pakman Show. He joins the podcast to explore a possible paradigm shift in the way he approaches his work and life after the birth of his daughter. 🎥🍿 YOUTUBE : WATCH HERE Links: The David Pakman Show X (Twitter): @dpakman YouTube: David Pakman Show Instagram: david.pakman ⌛TIMESTAMPS (00:00) - Intro (01:50) - The scripts that David grew up with (04:04) - David's first steps on the internet (06:51) - Finding an alternative path (11:49) - Advice for young YouTubers (13:55) - Money, motivation, workflows and how they changed over time (18:53) - Imagining life after YouTube, doubts about taking a sabbatical (28:35) - Having a child (31:09) - Taking time off and fans (34:54) - Divisive politics, public recognition and hateful comments (42:06) - Growth ceiling, YouTube colleagues and the lack of clear role models (47:18) - The dynamics of creator economy, YouTube & other creative projects (53:35) - David's inspirations, what does he read (57:33) - Closing remarks 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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#168 Building With "margin for life" — Justin Jackson on lessons from running a skate shop, optimizing for profit, running a "calm company," co-founding Transistor, having kids early, designing… 1:13:34

1 year ago1:13:34

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Justin is the co-founder of Transistor, a podcast hosting platform on which The Pathless Path podcast is hosted. Justin is passionate about designing his company so that all the team benefits. He achieves that by making sure that there is always a financial margin as well as a "margin for our emotional health, margin for our physical health, margin for life." 🎥🍿 YOUTUBE : WATCH HERE Links: Personal website X (Twitter): @mijustin Justin's podcast Transistor ⌛TIMESTAMPS (00:11) - Guest introduction (03:08) - The scripts that Justin grew up with (07:59) - Lessons from running a skate shop (13:53) - Optimizing for profit in business (26:27) - The opportunities on the internet, staying in the water, the survivor bias (35:46) - Getting into digital business (42:48) - The importance of the customer support (45:07) - "A calm company" — designing the company to make their lives better (54:14) - How Transistor has changed Justin's life? (54:38) - Having kids early and how more money actually made him happy (56:59) - How Justin approaches money (59:31) - Navigating the changes in the podcasting platforms (01:08:08) - The next chapter for Justin (01:10:00) - Where can we find out more about Justin? (01:11:01) - Closing remarks 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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#167 Wandering in the Wilderness — Dom Francks on confronting fragility, his love of nature, the disconnect from nature, working as a software engineer, viewing yourself as a piece of poetry, how… 1:09:32

1 year ago1:09:32

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Dom is the lead guide at the VIVIFY Regerative Leadership Program. He helps leaders develop by taking them on an 8-day backpacking expedition in the Sierra mountains. Dom is passionate about preserving the natural world, staying connected to it and practicing aliveness. 🎥🍿 YOUTUBE : WATCH HERE Links: Personal website VIVIFY (Get $500 off if you mention this podcast) Substack ⌛TIMESTAMPS (00:00) - Intro (01:56) - The scripts Dom grew up with (07:18) - Dom's grandfather, a WW2 vet (09:43) - Experiencing hardship, confronting the fragility (16:57) - Dom's love of nature (18:39) - Stanford & Golf (22:19) - Balancing wilderness education and software engineering (31:35) - How to avoid being perpetually dissatisfied (33:24) - Viewing yourself as a piece of poetry (37:22) - How liking your work makes you better at it (39:13) - We're always embedded in nature (42:25) - How to connect with nature (50:47) - Leisure and wandering (55:10) - Being guided by intuition (01:02:59) - Closing remarks 📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More 📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold) : The Pathless Path 😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community 📲Connect + Follow Paul Twitter: @p_millerd Instagram: @pathlesspaul Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People) Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe 🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast: Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here…

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#166 Breaking Free of the Rules — Rick Lewis on being a child actor, dropping out of college, being a professional juggler, street performing and a clowning, the corporate world as an outsider,… 1:19:30

1 year ago1:19:30